In this episode, I’m joined by Amanda Freeman, Energy Coach and Facilitator. Amanda speaks about how her experience with disability and adult education taught her the value in supporting individual needs in learning environments. She also talks about the power of reiki as a tool for healing for kids as well as adults.
Amanda helps purpose-driven well-being professionals and therapists develop both the confidence and the go-forward plan to reach their most cherished life and career goals. In safe, sacred space they conquer fears, clear energy blocks, and develop sky-high confidence in order to make powerful, intuitive life and career decisions.
An adult educator, experienced Reiki Master and parent of teenagers, Amanda understands how important it is to cater for diverse learner needs and meet people where they are at.
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Amanda Freeman is an energy coach and facilitator who helps purpose driven well being.
Professionals and therapists develop confidence and skills to reach their most cherished life and career goals.
When she's not holding space for her clients, you'll find her walking in the forest snuggling her pup, swimming, drinking, herbal teas.
Or learning about all things, healing, spirituality, conscious business and personal growth.
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How battling an injury throughout her high school years affected her experience of mainstream schooling and learn from her experience gained by teaching adults in her private.
Amanda welcome to the teacher healer podcast thanks so much for joining us.
Well, thank you for having me.
I'm very feel very privileged to be here chatting to you today.
Well, it's really nice to have someone come on the podcast who's got a good connection with me we.
Got a bit of.
A history together.
So I'm really excited to dig in and have some really good conversation.
Now you are a private adult educator and an energy coach.
Would you mind just for the audience who doesn't know what that means?
Just filling us in a little bit about what you do?
Yeah, sure, Umso energy coach kind of is so far the best way I've been able to articulate the fact that I work both with energy and also with the practicality, particularly in the work I do.
I work a lot with professionals a lot with small business.
Owners along with proof.
With entrepreneurs and what I found is that my journey originally started as a uh, Reiki channel.
So I think I'll probably have to explain a bit more about.
That a little bit later.
But as a hands on healing therapist and what happened is that as I started.
To treat more.
People people were like, oh, how do I learn?
This so I was like OK.
Well, I'll go and learn how to teach and then I'll come back and I'll teach you and so that's what I did.
And so I kind of just followed these universal bread crumbs.
If you like and moved from very much holding space for people as a healer to teaching them how to heal themselves and.
How to self regulate and do self healing and then a lot of my clients then went well.
Actually I'm really enjoying this and I want to start teaching.
So how do?
I learn how to be a practitioner or how?
Do I learn?
How to be a teacher and that was when I sort of began to crossover into more supporting small business owners and entrepreneurs.
Was actually teaching.
The skills of of how to be a healer but not how to then run a business.
And I think it's often assumed that if you're passionate about something and you're good at something that you know how to turn that into a business.
And what I found very quickly was that that's not the case, and so probably in about 2015.
I really moved into working a lot with small business owners and professionals and that.
That meant that probably the last seven years I've more and more started working in this.
That arena, which blends steal the energy healing and the skills that I, you know, have had right from when I started my business in 2010 to also coaching and mentoring.
So a lot more of that practical stuff like OK, what are the solutions we need to find?
What are the mindset blocks here going on?
And also, what are the energetic aspects that are coming into play?
That's it in a nutshell.
Cool story, so you've kind of fully into it a little bit by people making a lot of requests about, you know to learn more, which is really exciting.
So it sounds like people are really interested in in what you're doing.
And so just to go back to the the Reiki practitioner, can you tell us a little bit about Reiki?
For those who don't know what that is?
So Reiki is an ancient Japanese healing technique.
I came across it when I was 20, so I had a an accident when I was 11 and had spent you know many many years looking for modalities to sort of support me in my healing and UM came across Reiki.
Someone just said one.
Time or if.
You ever tried Reiki before?
Oh no, I haven't.
And I had a really intense experience, kind of like in a hard moment of OK everything is gonna be OK within that.
Uhm, session and.
And as a result.
You know, sort of learned it from my own healing to support my own journey and overtime to sort of found people were asking me if I.
Could give them.
Reiki and whatnot.
And that's how that sort of came about, but.
In, in essence, what?
It is is the channeling of energy through your hands.
And UM, giving it to either yourself.
Or to someone else so.
When I say the channeling of energy, it's it's the premise that Reiki is universal.
Life Force energy is the energy that's all around us and that when we are giving healing using Reiki, we're not trying to fix someone or we're not trying to take anything away.
We're not trying to.
Uhm, do anything.
As a practitioner, we're literally just giving the energy.
That's all around us and sort of channeling it in a really focused.
Fashion for that person, energy or our own energy.
To then do what it needs to do to reach that equilibrium again so.
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I really loved that.
Because I've always been a big believer in, you know, self sovereignty and being responsible for and healing.
And and I never really.
As a result, I've never really called myself a healer per say because.
I feel like a bum.
I feel like.
This idea of we're just given this beautiful energy and our bodies will do it what it needs really resonated with me.
So that's why I ended up sort of falling in love with it.
I think so.
I know like these days.
A lot of people are really happy sort of talking about.
I love your energy.
I can feel the vibes of this person, but it's a different concept altogether when you're talking about using the energy to heal.
Yeah, but it is getting more and more popular and I know like Gwyneth Paltrow has done a bunch of stuff on different energy healing modalities on goop lab, so maybe it's becoming a bit more mainstream now, but for the listeners so you know that's how I got in touch with Amanda is I wanted to learn more about Reiki.
I have my own experience at a music festival one time and my sister recommended.
There actually, she was one of her clients.
And yeah, so I I've done Reiki level 2 myself with Amanda and I gotta say, she's a fantastic teacher, so that's why we've got.
Her here with us.
So back to you, Amanda.
I know like we're in education podcasts here as well, so you know our business is kids and schools, but I was really interested to talk to you because of you've got that healing element and you do have that adult education experience.
And so I'm keen to hear a little bit about what you think Reiki has to offer to children.
And I know that you've introduced Reiki to young children before and your own children.
So what has that experience been like?
Uhm, I think look Reiki I kind of I.
I remember when we were sort of talking about what we discussed in in this podcast interview I.
You know Reiki is a term for something that we all have inherently within us.
Anyway, in every culture there is.
If someone hurts himself or if someone sad, what do we do?
Then we we rub their backs.
We you know we put our hands on to others and onto ourselves to soothe so you know, most cultures have a hands on.
Uhm, I just happened to learn and and fall in love with Reiki.
But you know, within every culture you'll find it mentioned.
And so I think you know the.
Probably in terms of bringing it to to children is the best thing and why.
Why I think it's fabulous for children, particularly, you know kids who are struggling with self regulation regulation and things like that is that Reiki one of the best descriptions I've I've been given is if we think of when we're born, we're.
Born with this brilliant beautiful white bright light within our ourselves like our soul or our true being or our true selves right?
And then bit by bit you know someone you know.
Tells us off.
At some point and and you know, almost like a lampshade goes over that lot.
And then we grow up a bit more and then maybe another trauma happens up another.
Another lampshade, dims that light a little bit, and then we get older again.
You know our teenage years and we shrink ourselves another lampshade and so.
By the time we become an adult.
There are so.
Many layers covering this light that's always been there out in a Reiki.
If you like always there.
We didn't need an initiation or.
A workshop to to have that.
Unfold always been there, but it's so cover.
Up from, you know, trying to protect ourselves or navigate.
Challenges that we've.
Become disconnected from it and and the truest example of this was when I ran a children class.
And you know, I had all these expectations.
Having run, you know, so many adult classes by that by this stage.
You know, in my teacher journey.
I sort of had.
This real, you know.
I guess thought of.
How it was going to unfold?
But the truth was these kids new Reiki already.
They knew what it felt like.
They were feeling energy before we even did any of the initiation process is like they they just knew it.
It was, it was just.
Present within them they could feel each others energy.
They could feel their own energy they could articulate.
What energy felt like in terms of how you know what energy felt like when they were sad?
What energy felt like when they were?
Happy what what?
You know, feeling the energy we went outside and what did the energies of the trees feel like and how is that different?
You know too.
To themselves and I actually thought with an adult class at the end of the level 1 trainings we give Reiki to each other and I kind of thought you know these.
The kids are probably too young and and maybe that wouldn't be appropriate.
To to do.
That they might be nervous about, you know, giving you know healing to someone else, and.
They were like.
So when do we get to jump on a table and give?
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Other people like, hey, let's do it was better.
00:10:57 Speaker 4
In the work so myself and the.
Other parents who were press.
And, you know, jumped on and received this healing from these kids I.
Think the youngest was six and the.
Eldest was 12 and there was I.
Think 8 of them.
Up and there was no difference in the strength or the potency or the the.
You know, the difference in the energy to.
An adult that I've received Reiki from so it was.
It was quite a phenomenal experience for me.
To really see that.
Description In action of you know kids.
Just get it.
When they're given that ability to.
Have words and language around what they already inherently know.
It's such a gift and and in the years following that, you know I'd get messages from time to time from the parents saying all such and such has got.
Their first day.
Of school and they said don't worry mum, I'm gonna give myself some Reiki before I go or such and such has been in hospital with tonsillitis.
But you know.
We did some Reiki beforehand and they felt really calm going in and it wasn't the drama.
I thought it was going to be.
And you know.
It really was this experience.
Of these kids, noticing when they needed extra support.
And being able to give the.
To themselves and to identify.
Or what do I need right now?
Oh, I need to stop and pause and really address that my energy is not feeling so great right now.
And how cool that I you know?
Yes, of course they still need their parents for that support and and other other people in their.
Life, but they really all had this.
Inner strength and this.
Trusting themselves that you know that experience of Reiki.
Gave them it.
Gave them a language to describe what that looked like.
That is so cool and it got a great story and what a great example of children like.
You know, feeling empowered in themselves and connected.
To each other. Wow, yeah.
I'm like I'm interested in hearing you talk about the language having the language to talk about things they already inherently know.
I've been looking into quite a bit about social emotional learning in the early years recently, and also consent education and and it's all about having the language.
To talk about.
Feelings and boundaries and personal experiences, the things that happen in our inner world and.
That's exactly what you're describing there, so that's really it's very cool skill to have.
Oh so cool and my kids, you know my my oldest daughter was in that class.
My youngest daughter actually taught her one to one.
I didn't have a a class gathered at at the time that she felt she wanted.
And you know, for both my kids, it was 100%, you know, a choice. They knew what I did.
They've been around me and Reiki, and being, you know, recipients of that for many years and it was, you know, really up to them whether they wanted to or not, and.
Again, that choice to be able to say, yeah, actually I'm.
I'm curious about this and.
And how, yeah, their own timing of of taking that step if they.
Wanted to do was really cool to to just see.
See how that unfolded.
And again, it is.
It's all about that consent.
And I mean Reiki is very much like that anyway.
It's all about.
This again premise of.
You know we're not.
We're not trying to fix.
We're just taking responsibility for ourselves, and if we are open to receiving and persons open to giving, then what, uh, you know what an empowering exchange for everybody.
That's cool, like I also heard you talk about the fact that this energy healing is so.
Present in so many different cultures around the world and has been so for a very long time and still is used.
And it just makes you sort of think about how how we skip that.
Like missed that bus.
Do you know what?
I mean when so many people in the world have access to this and use it as a gorgeous tool for themselves and their loved ones and their communities.
I, I think it's really great that it's becoming more and more popular in mainstream culture, Western culture and and I think for me it really helps me connect and understand a little bit more.
You know what?
First Nations Australian communities have to offer?
Yeah, because I know that you know Aboriginal healing is is starting to become more known about.
Yeah, and it's really nice that there isn't that same level of stigma that might have been around that topic and.
Yeah, that there's a connection that was.
That's something that we can share and learn from.
Absolutely, and that's yeah, that's one of the examples that I definitely had front of mind.
I've actually had a, uh, an Aboriginal healing.
They're from South Australia the the healers that I had a session from and you know so similar in some ways.
Terakki you know that touched that healing touch and different in in other ways as well.
And one of my beautiful clients actually gave me a book which you know really goes into detail.
They they share where the.
Wisdom came from and how they use the practice.
And it's just so beautiful.
Like to think.
Yeah, like we don't even necessarily need to learn Reiki.
We can just trust our own.
You know, out in a in a bright light and our inner self healing, you know to bring into our everyday.
And I think you know.
Schools are bringing mindfulness in.
There are a lot of schools now that are bringing in.
Things like yoga.
Most schools I know my daughters are in high school, have a well being centre where they.
You know, have safe spaces to go, so I think we're heading in the right direction with this stuff.
I think it's we're moving into a space where it's not.
Yeah, it's people are more able to talk about their energy or how they're feeling, what their needs are, and I don't think that was certainly not really present when.
I was at school a.
Long time ago.
So yeah, you know, I just think the more tools we can give our young people.
For that self soothing that self regulation the more.
Or we're going to have self regulating adults and emotionally intelligent adults.
Umm I have a have a weird question I I don't know if you have a religious background but I was brought up Catholic and I know my primary education.
Majority of that was in the Catholic school and that would have been, you know, this sort of been a conversation.
It would have been quite frowned on, I think, even though I think if you re.
Read the story of the New Testament of Jason Story.
You kind of like well, come on now there's stared links here.
This man is an energy here.
00:17:57 Speaker 4
Yeah, Anton, who?
You know how is that?
A non Christian thing?
So do you have you met many people who are religious who've done Ricky or have opinions about Ricky and how they see that either connecting or opposing their beliefs?
Yeah, not really.
Interesting question actually and and quite quite funny because yeah, my one of my well my grandmother was Catholic.
We weren't brought up Catholic much to her horror.
She used to give my.
Dad so much grief I think I.
Was christened and then that was it, but a lot of my family are religious, and actually.
One of my aunties is very heavily involved in the Catholic Church and she's a Reiki channel and has always been very open about that and so actually wasn't or isn't frowned upon in in.
You know how she practices and I remember at one point I actually.
In my sort of late teens dated someone who was very strict Christian and I just sort of come.
Across Reiki and.
I'm like come and learn it with me like this before I did my training and he's like I can't.
You know it's not.
It's not within sort of the boundaries of my faith, and my auntie actually sent me.
This whole list.
Of quotes from the Bible that speak to hands on healing and physician, heal myself and you know, like I'm.
Like but look look in.
It's here, it's here, but he really dumb.
Couldn't couldn't even consider that as as being you know.
Acceptable as part of his.
Faith so similarly I've had people come and train with.
Me, who have had.
Uhm, religious upbringing and have not been I, I guess struggled with the concept of Reiki, but more this concept of evil and witchcraft.
And and the fact that it might fall.
Into that category which is.
Not what it is at all, it's a.
Very, you know.
Orientated, you know there's no negative connotations at all in Reiki again, which is why I think I'm really drawn to it, but there was definitely.
Some people over.
The years have come and said, oh, I'm just worried that you know what?
What about the bad energy?
You know, if this is good energy, where's the bad sort of thing as a result of you know?
Religious experiences that talk a lot about evil or.
Evil spirits or things like that, so that's definitely come up a lot in the past.
And then yeah, I guess there's people like myself who.
Aren't really just that consider themselves sort of spiritual in that that that we feel a connection to something bigger than ourselves.
And this is one way that.
We can sort of connect into that our higher self and that I guess higher power yeah.
Yeah, thanks for clarifying some of that.
So it seems to be a bit of a mixed bag.
Yeah, oh gosh.
Depending on people doctrines and what they're believing and stuff.
I mean for me, I sort of it seems like obvious that it's very similar to the.
The gifts of the Holy Spirit that were given to the disciples after the resurrection.
Jesus seems very similar, so for me to have that conflict with religion is a bit of a shame and a bit confusing, but I can completely understand why some people.
You know it's hard to enter into something you really just don't understand, and the thing that I found when I discovered, or a key, or was able to do, you know, after having been into my first course with you, it, it didn't enter my imagination that this kind of thing was possible or real.
And and until you have that experience, you can't understand.
And so I've just at the point, I'm like well.
I can't now judge people who see ghosts.
I can't judge people who have other experiences that I haven't had because I haven't had it, but that doesn't make it not real for them.
Yeah, and that's that's it in a nutshell, isn't it?
We can, we can only go by our experiences and and probably I mean I was always brought up in a very.
Some sort of open minded spiritual my dad side of the family particularly were you know, there was a quite a few hippies sprinkled in his enormous Irish Catholic family.
And so we were always sort of, you know, open to herbs.
And my Nana was always going with that hurt guard heard from the garden and like if she wasn't.
00:22:21 Speaker 4
Catholic I would have.
Called her a kitchen witch because she was like.
So deeply into medicinal herbs.
00:22:24 Speaker 2
And like the basil for concentration and that you know, come and have a look at this amazing crop of.
Whatever beautiful lettuce and like she, she just had the most magic green thumb and just the most incredible garden.
And that was her medicine, you know, so I.
I remember I was.
I was going to go with that, but I think for me it wasn't a big leap.
It wasn't, it wasn't 'cause.
I remember that first session I had.
I mean, I've had so many manual therapies and healing therapies by that point to try and help me with the pain I was experiencing and I'd never had this experience.
Like I, I was literally lying on the table.
And she was.
Doing the process and it was like a light went on in my heart space like like an actual light.
And I felt oh everything is gonna be OK and I had been in a pretty dark place.
Prior to that, so that in itself was significant, and then when I did my Loki one class, I, you know didn't consider myself very spiritual or I thought I'm going to be the one in this.
Group that can't do this, you know?
00:23:34 Speaker 4
Yeah, something that all my in every single class everyone there's at least one person that goes.
00:23:38 Speaker 4
I'm surely going to be the one that this doesn't work for.
That was me in my class.
And sure, and I've had these incredible experiences of feeling energy and sensing things and and seeing things that I prior to that moment in time.
Never would have thought would have been.
Within my capacity to do so as just like a normal everyday person.
So yeah, I think it's definitely something to be experienced.
And even when I you know first started doing treatments, I remember having one one person come in and his wife had got a voucher and he.
You know he had been having a rough time and so she.
Sent him along.
With that, just so absolutely no belief whatsoever that this.
Was even gonna do anything.
And he actually.
Said that, he sat on the table and.
He said just so.
You know, I don't believe in.
Any of this ship but my wife said it might help, so I'm gonna give it a go.
No, like OK then this is going to be.
Interesting, and by the time he.
Left he was like.
00:24:37 Speaker 4
I don't even.
Know what you just did, but.
Wow wow like he was just kind of speechless 'cause he you know just thought it was all going to be a bunch of rubbish and and left feeling really.
All the things that he needed to feel for his hearing at that.
Time so it's yeah.
It's always interesting to see how different people.
Yeah, yeah yeah, I think it just comes down to you.
00:25:00 Speaker 2
That was fun.
Just don't know what you don't know.
And the more we're learning, the more we're being open to new things, which is pretty nice.
It is and I think the reason.
I love Reiki as well is.
'cause it's very much doctrine free.
So you can be whatever religion you want and still be a Reiki channel like there's no need to adhere to any particular you know practices in your life or.
It's all about coming home to yourself.
At the end of the day, you know it's all about just clearing things within your energy and clearing your mind and clearing your every every aspect of yourself so that light that inner light can just shine as brightly as as possible.
So I think that's what I love about it too.
It's you don't have to change who you are.
You don't have to go.
You have to meditate for five hours a day to use it.
You don't have to become a vegetarian if you don't want to.
Like you know what I mean like it's.
Not a religion.
And so it just makes it so accessible to people and I.
I actually redid.
My training with the Japanese teacher would be about five years ago now 'cause I was really curious to see what you know, having been taught by an an amazing Western teacher who had, you know, being learned by someone else who is from the West actually learn learn Reiki from someone who was Japanese and to ensure that you know.
Was it appropriate?
Made it even be practicing this and and teaching this.
Given that I'm Australian like you know, cultural appropriation is something.
I'm very aware of and never sort of wanted to.
Yeah to to be doing that and he was just like everyone should.
Have it like.
Everyone needs Reiki like teach everybody like he.
Was just like.
This is we we need this in our world like in order for our world to change.
I'm totally paraphrasing here, he's an incredibly.
Uh, incredibly humorous, very humble, lovely teacher.
Yeah, I really.
I really loved that training, but it really gave me that sense of peace of OK, cool like it's OK that I do this as long as I'm saying true to the teachings.
And you know, one, probably one of the things that.
We tend to do in the West, around appropriation and, and this is rife with Reiki.
That and this I do.
You know, really struggle with is when people go.
Well I've created.
My own ranking it's called such and such Reiki and it's like, well, you've kind of been gifted.
This teachings from this lineages that's from another culture and you know like create your own healing modality by all means.
But if you're going to call it Reiki, then you really need to honor.
That Lenny Edge otherwise that.
Is kind of in my mind appropriation, so that's something that I've come across a lot and.
Yeah, I find really challenging.
Plus, you know a lot of things have moved online and and this really is such a such an experiential.
Modality that to to move it completely online, particularly with the teaching I think, leaves a lot of room for missed learning and missed depth.
There is a place for it in some ways, but I think, yeah, that's that's something that the world of Reiki is having to reckon with.
Now with all with everything moving online.
But as well as everyone else.
Yeah yeah, so finding how how do we honor that and how do we honor the the teaching?
And how do we honor the sacredness of it and the fact that it is from a different.
Culture to our own and also evolve with, you know, changing technology and changing circumstances like you know kovid.
So it's yeah, it's a big kind of worms that one but.
So it's actually really great that you know you you got an opportunity to do that to go to Japan and be taught by Japanese teacher.
Actually fits Accent and Melbourne.
And it was in Melbourne he came to.
Mum said well, he came to.
But I didn't have to travel.
00:29:02 Speaker 2
And he said that everyone everyone should benefit from these.
That's pretty exciting, and I guess that's part of the reason I have you here on this podcast is to just what if it a little bit in terms of what?
What if this became part of mainstream education and our kids learned this from an early age and it was something that was quite.
Common and broadly taught what?
What benefits do you think that would bring to the kids and and to society?
Gosh, I think first and foremost you know it would be that self autonomy that self soothing that ability to say.
I'm not feeling great.
I can put my hands on and just take a moment.
You know, hands on my body, imagine the healing energy coming into my body and feel that energy and just calm myself.
So I think that that self.
Them self regulation would be a game changer but also compassion.
Like I know before my my daughter was in well when my daughter was in Prep.
My youngest, she came home one day and she said mum Maddie went home today.
She had a sore tummy.
I did give her some Reiki.
It didn't help but I did try.
And, uh, yeah she's she's gone.
And just this idea that you know 'cause obviously it through her childhood you know their own well.
Would you like to make here?
Yes please mum you know.
Like just they're so used to when when they run well, that's that's what helps them feel better that she just had this from our heart.
Just here, I'll.
Give you some Reiki.
Obviously asked her friends permission and her friend obviously said yes, we've always spoken about the fact you know that you don't just walk up to someone.
Give them like yeah, it's always asking if you like it and if they say no respecting that.
00:30:47 Speaker 4
Uhm, but I think.
Again, like just that, that learning of of consent.
Uhm, it's it's helpful for that.
And yeah, just that compassion like the first thing she thought was.
I can do something here I can.
I can help my friend feel better.
And you can imagine what what an impact that would have in a in an environment.
You know when when kids are taught the appropriate.
Way which is.
You know Reg keys for ourselves first.
You know, particularly with children, they're not really going to be trained at a level to give Reiki to others, but if someone, if you feel like someone needs some comfort.
You can always ask them and say would you like me to hold your hand and give you some Reiki or would you like me to break your foot that you've just heard?
Until the teacher gets.
Here, or you know, like there's this real, this real possibility.
Of of of that, compassion and care being.
Yeah, I don't know.
That's that's what I've witnessed with my own kids through their experience of it for sure.
I know like you've talked a little bit about your injury and I just I wondered if you could unpack that a little bit in terms of.
Just so that the audience can understand a little bit better about how you found raking white helped you, but also you know what was it like being in school in in mainstream education when you were battling this?
Yeah, well, I mean, I guess speaking to the first part for me come from the age of 11.
You know right up until I came across Reiki I'd had practitioners do things to my body.
So whether that be osteopath or chiropractor or physio's or Chinese medicine practitioners or whatever like I.
Really felt like.
Other people were.
In control of my healing and I was just kind of bumbling along for the ride and hoping that something would help or something wouldn't make it worse, you know, and what I remember, you know so clearly from those initial sessions of Reiki was that she said, you know, you can learn this for yourself like you don't have to be coming here every week.
Uhm, now that you know what it feels like.
Now that you know.
That it's helping you that you can.
You can learn this yourself and so from that level it was incredibly empowering to think oh what I'm. I'm powerful enough to impact my own healing. And you know, I think I was like 1919 maybe 20.
At that time, and that's a long time that's like 9 year.
As of of basically feeling disempowered in my own body so and and as though my body was at the at the.
Women of other others, and I think you know I don't think consent was a big thing back then either.
And you know, when I reflect back on even that experience of having treatments from practitioners, there were times where something they were doing didn't feel OK.
And as a trial they didn't feel.
I didn't have the language to say, actually, I don't like that.
I don't like it when you do that, you know, is there another way?
I would just go well, they know best.
They're the practitioner and I want.
My back fixed so.
So that that was, you know, I think that was why Reiki was so so powerful.
Just having that permission to take ownership of my own healing journey.
In in terms of having an injury like that as a kid again.
It was tough because, you know, this is before there was, you know, legislation and wording in schools about inclusivity and you know meeting the needs of all children where they are.
I mean, I'm sure that was spoken about, but I definitely don't remember hearing.
OK, you've now got.
An injury slash disability.
Support plan those words were never spoken to me.
Given a chair, a padded chair to sit on.
There therefore I was really killed and othered by other kids.
Help him sugars to sit.
On the chair.
Well, you know we're building.
Is in there, yeah?
Floor and like here I am on this chair.
Just wanting to be on the floor but physically unable to be on the floor 'cause the injury was to my coccyx bone.
So I I couldn't sit on the hard floor.
And and not really.
Yeah, it wasn't.
Even it wasn't sort of discussed like that.
There would be children within the class that might have different sensory needs or different mobility needs or different learning needs.
And I think I'm grateful that that's definitely changed.
I mean, even you know, as a as a teacher of of Reiki and as a facilitator, facilitate sacred circles as well.
And I've facilitated workshops and all things from stress to intuition to self care like.
Motivation Cross Nation like all the above and I think one of the gifts of of teaching Reiki was that I learned very quickly that the style.
Of teaching that I had been taught, which suited me very well, which was I'm going to stand up here and I'm going to talk to you and you're going to read the booklet and maybe write some notes and then at the end you'll have the knowledge.
Well, I learned very quickly when I started teaching that not everyone could learn that way, and so I really have to vary.
Very quickly adapt to so that everyone would leave with the same depth of understanding to be like.
OK, so first we do it like that.
Then we get up and we do some practice and.
Practical practice so the kinesthetic learners go.
Oh, now I get.
It you know, or the people who you.
Know have ADHD and.
Who really can't?
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It's still for a four hour block before like.
Break, you know, I really was able to kind of just learn very much on the go that what those different learning styles look like and the difference that was made in understanding when I was able to meet the students where they were at.
I mean, I had some adults, you know, grown adults who.
We're like really struggling with the writing components because they were told when they were at school.
You know they were stupid, or maybe they didn't finish.
High school so.
This kind of sitting at a desk with pen and paper it just totally triggered these memories of you know, really unhealthy school.
Ling techniques and and.
So it was really.
Awesome to go.
OK, that's not working for you.
How else can we do this so that you can understand this process and feel really confident in it so that that sort of thing wasn't there when I was a kid.
So you know, by the end of the day, I might be in.
Quite a significant amount of pain, but I couldn't say to the teacher.
Hey, you know, after about 3 hours of sitting I'm in quite a lot of discomfort, so I'm I'm gonna need to really get up.
And move around a bit if that's OK.
Uhm, no, that wasn't a thing and.
Even when I think to high school, when I first went to high school, I had one of those bag trolleys 'cause I used to have to catch the bus and.
Ridiculous amount of bloody but books you'd have to carry and everyone thought it was the funniest thing here I am this tiny year seven with this school bag.
Dragging this trolley and now.
All the suitcases and what do people do they've got.
Bags on wheels don't.
They don't give me.
You're an innovator, Amanda.
I was an.
Innovator for sure, I just didn't make any money.
Out of it.
I probably should have, you know, we should wish my parents.
Were entrepreneurs at the time and went oh there?
We go so stuff like that like that was really challenging for me.
Like just getting to school was painful because I couldn't check my bag on my back like everyone else.
Or, you know, attending school camp, there wasn't a conversation with.
OK, so you've got.
A A back injury.
We're going on an adventure camp.
There's gonna be hiking.
You gotta carry all.
Your own supply.
How are we going?
To navigate that for you.
No, I was just really lucky that my bestie carried my bags as well as her bag.
And you know, I had a lot of eye rolling.
From the poor people.
That were, you know, paired up with me in the the physical activities that I I was in.
You know, didn't have the capacity for and.
When I look.
Back I think gosh, you know that there would have been so many ways that that those situations could have been handled differently.
But again, I didn't have the language or the.
The framework to go?
Oh, so how?
How will my well being be supported through this given I have this injury like that just wasn't wasn't conversations you had and of course when you think of being a teenager as well, you don't want to be different.
You want more childhood really all through you don't want to be different.
Everyone else, do you absolutely no.
So I yeah, so I'm excited for the fact that a lot of this is more.
Seems to be not more normalized.
Watching my children go through the education system.
There's definitely it's not executed.
You know, I wouldn't say it's executed.
That great all of the time, but that's hugely different to you know 30 years ago, which.
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Is which is exciting.
And and I do think it's important.
I think anything that's going to.
Give our kids.
Language to talk about how they're feeling.
How to self regulate?
You know what practices work for them, so for some people the idea of Reiki as a child might feel amazing.
For other kids that might be, you know, permission to move about a little bit.
You know in between teachings for other kids.
Still, it might be having some quiet space to take themselves off to to regulate, like I don't think.
Reiki is certainly not a you know.
One one thing.
Suits all sort.
Of scenario by any means, but it is.
It is one of many you know, really positive.
Strategies that I think would be yeah, really.
A really good thing to to bring in.
Early to normalize.
Now let's pray suborder, our toolbox and if we can widen our thinking a little bit into into new areas that gives us more options, doesn't.
100% and that's what it's all about and you know, with having worked with just and and trained so many people over the past 12 years, we're we're all just so different.
And and when we get, when we find a way of doing something that suits us, it's like magic, isn't it?
We can go, oh.
This is the way you know this is the way like standing desks for some people.
Oh my gosh.
Well, she's been all.
I love him.
My life, you know.
Yeah, I love them.
All that sort of stuff.
That's so true, so I want to ask you, Amanda, as Amanda not as an energy code, you're tired for you, in in particular, to separate yourself from your work because it's so much a.
Part of your life.
But but Amanda.
Yeah, what is your wish for education?
Uhm, I think yeah.
From my own experiences and my my experiences with helping my kids never gave it.
I think I would love it to be more fluid.
I would love it to yes have.
That based curriculum and things like that.
But to really move on.
From this kind of archaic.
Uhm, system of we sit for, you know an hour 6 / 6 hours a day and you look at a board and you know how amazing would it be if it really you know did that that thing where OK sometimes we sit and learn and then we get up and we do something.
Anesthetic and then so that each child needs through those you know, early years, particularly in particular, and met.
And then imagine if that was able to be streamed into, then high school where the kids who.
Learn in one particular way you can go in this stream and you know I mean that kind of does happen a little bit in high school in terms of.
You know, vikesland.
Apprenticeships and and and things like that.
I think that's kind of been taken on board, but why is it taking until kids are in year 11 and 12 for for what they're saying they.
Need to learn.
Best to be listened to.
Why isn't that happening?
You know in grade four and five, why aren't we listening to our kids and saying I don't learn well that way and and changing it to encompass?
You know the learning of emotional intelligence and and things like that, as as being as essential as.
You know the things that they're currently being taught.
Yeah thanks so.
I guess as a healer.
Well, you know healing the planet is probably something on your mind, and I I know as well that you think a lot about climate change and.
Support for people with disabilities and and all sorts of UM, hot topics.
If you like that that are really, really important in our day and age, but.
I guess when you think about the education system and what it has to offer to that, like what do you think is the potential for education to heal the planet?
Uhm, look, I think the kids today have a lot greater awareness than we did.
I mean, when I was growing up it was all.
About the ozone.
Layer and I think we were pretty aware of that, but not much outside of.
That I think kids today through the education system.
Have have more of an understanding, but I.
Also don't see a whole.
Lot of of practical action like I know in primary school they had the compost and they had the chickens and they had the veggie garden and you get to high school and it's all that's all gone and I think what what magic it would be if that was continued.
If this if this idea of you know involving them in.
Ideas of how can we create a more sustainable world and what can we do in our school that's going to contribute to that?
I think I almost feel like high schools aren't look we're having enough trouble keeping these kids engaged.
We're going to have one.
Been not going to have a recycling bin.
We're not going to have a compost heap.
We're not gonna have chicken like you know, kids.
Yeah, it's just.
This total disconnect from all this you know, beautiful work that I'm seeing showing up in a lot of primary schools you get to.
High school and.
Yeah, so I think there's a big opportunity there.
For for that to continue through and have our kids really take responsibility because they are going to be left with this mess.
Is that the previous generations have kind of?
Left us in for, you know, not necessarily consciously, but it's.
Just it is what it is.
Uhm, so yeah I think.
There's a definite.
There's a definite potential.
And the exciting thing is.
That with social media and things like that, kids are really stepping up.
The ones who are passionate about healing our planet are stepping up and.
Making an impact like.
In ways that we never we.
Never had the ability to.
To do because we just didn't have those platforms, you know, so that that's hopeful you know.
Can I can I pick your brain just a
Tiny bit about.
What you would see, as you know what?
What would the ideal high school experience look like?
Oh gosh, I think it would be, you know, recognizing the development of our children.
So gosh, how long has research been out that kids need?
Teenagers need longer sleep and are still drowsy in the morning.
'cause of their melatonin levels?
Like how long is that research been out and yet?
I'm still doing that.
Yeah, and yet we're still sending our.
Kids to school at.
8 between 8:15 and 9:00 o'clock in the morning like.
Uhm, yeah, so I guess the idea would be to really be working with the stage of development that they're at.
It would be including self awareness, self regulation, not as a not as an add-on, but as something that's like integrated within.
Uhm, the language?
That's yeah, that's being that's just within the day and I think some schools I do try to do that.
With things like you.
Know, uh, Learning mentor class in the morning and having consistent teachers.
And things like that so.
I think that's already being done to some degree, but really having these.
You know, like imagine if there was a tool kit that they had access to.
They could choose to do, you know some Reiki they could choose to do a meditation.
They could choose to do some mindful sandplay or whatever, and that's how they started their day.
And you know before lunch there was a meditation break and then at the end of the day they did some stretching.
Like imagine if all of these things which.
We have evidence of.
Being, you know.
Good for growing brains and good for development.
Good for stress.
Imagine if you know this somehow that was integrated in what?
A difference that would make.
Yeah, it sounds like something.
So that was.
That working lie yeah.
Something that should be in workplaces as well, and I know where I work at the moment.
We've certainly brought in meditation practices and things like that.
It's not all the time, yeah, but it makes a huge difference.
It's proven to do that and we are.
You know the the bottom line as our Prime Minister says, you know, we are, uh, can do capitalist society like we are conditioned to work, work work if you're not working, you're lazy.
You're not contributing to society or not.
You know, so there is this cultural, deep, deep cultural conditioning to work hard and so you know if our own Parliament and government.
Is spouting that messaging, then we do have to say well of course it's going to then be hard.
To get that.
Education system and things like that because.
They're not saying we want.
We want our Australians healthy and we want to really balance the work life we want.
You know we want families to have quality time, so we raise, you know, supported children and we want to, you know, meet the needs of people with disabilities so that they can thrive as well as an able bodied person within.
Any workplace like?
We're not, they're not spouting that they're saying you know, we're capital of society and what is capitalism?
It's get the work done at any cost.
So I think that that makes it really hard and I.
Think that's the reality of of why the change is so slow because.
You know there's not that it's it's it's madding because there is all this research about it, but it's it's not being implemented in the Parliament workplace which doesn't even have HR.
I found out recently I hate.
00:49:56 Speaker 4
To our department so.
Gosh how how we you know if well being is not taken seriously at the highest levels.
Then it makes sense that it's harder to get into other levels of.
Our society so.
Yeah, it's a big.
It's a big.
So that's why it is so important that these these consistent like that we do stay really vigilant.
And really hopeful.
That every little change is having an.
Impact so every person who you know has the experience that I had of being told you.
Can you know you can make a difference in your own health and healing every person that that.
Happens to then goes out and takes responsibility for themselves and looks for ways to to feel well and empowered.
And then they go and.
Find ways to help other people become well and empowered, and then you know that's hopefully one day gonna reach those higher levels as more.
00:50:51 Speaker 4
And more people go gosh.
This is a better.
Way to do it, I'm more productive anyway.
Now you know.
00:50:57 Speaker 2
I'm I'm wondering so much here.
Gosh, I just
I've lost my thoughts because there was so much in that.
I guess my my question is about going forward.
Oh yeah, so we we consider if you talk to politicians perhaps about what the purpose of school is or education they'll say it's about being able to join the workforce and be engaged citizen, right?
And and as as a parent, I guess I'll ask you because it's it's hard sometimes for us to differentiate what's the role of the educator or the teacher and what's the role of the parent.
And I think there's a lot of hot debates about.
That you know where does this fit and where does that fit and who's responsible for which, and.
So yeah, that's my question to you as a parent and all the other roles that you bring here.
What do you think?
The function and purpose of education is?
Or should or could be?
I think you're right, I think.
It is to be part of that capitalist system with which we live in, which is get people into the workforce, keep the economy going.
You know, keep keep the money ticking over in our in our country.
I think that is the purpose and I think that's why it is so rigid and it's very predefined because the government knows where it wants.
People to sort of head to, I guess.
For the needs of.
I guess of.
Of the community, but I.
Think it's it's not the right way to go about.
It I see.
And have seen my children.
You know, there's some aspects of the education, their education, they're so passionate about, you know, and they they love.
And then there are some aspects that they.
Like I don't.
See the point of this like there is so many chunks of.
Of high school that are so.
Irrelevant to real life and the real world.
And our kids are smart enough to know.
This and go yeah so waste of my time and.
If kids are.
Recognizing that, why aren't we putting in something you know?
Imagine if instead of that thing, that's a complete waste of everybody's time. There was something in there that really inspired them to, you know, innovate, 'cause this generation they are innovators, I think.
More than any of us.
They've got access to so.
Much technology and.
Knowledge that we never had access to.
They're smart and they've got.
New ways of.
Thinking, and we're not really respecting that, and I think yeah, as a parent like I've my daughter has recently been really add.
Waiting for some of her needs at school and it's been really interesting to watch those needs not be heard.
Come as a.
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As a 17 year old and to be going wow she has really stepped up and articulated so well what's missing in her being able to get the best out of her education?
Why is it not being heard?
And and you know, she's stubborn and strong willed gets that from me.
I think from a man, and we've that's one thing as parents, you know, we've worked on really early.
As you know, saying you know.
You're in high.
School now you need to advocate for yourself with something.
Is not working for you.
If you're not able to learn in that environment.
Then you need to say, hey.
This isn't working for me.
And it was really interesting to watch her.
Do that so beautifully, and so articulately and so consistently and still not be listened to.
So I think gosh imagine how many other.
Kids are there.
Who maybe haven't had parents behind them saying go on?
You can advocate for yourself this.
Is you know you know what you need, go and go and.
Do it who have these.
Same feelings of not being seen or heard or don't have.
The courage or a bit shy to to speak up.
And what would happen if they were empowered, like what?
Would look different.
Within their education experience, if a teacher went OK, tell me more about that.
Tell me more about that and and what that looks like to you and how can we apply that?
What a great idea and and it turns out there's five or six other kids in that that same class ago.
Yeah, that'll work for me too.
Oh I need like.
These kids are smart.
Our kids are smart and I don't think we give them enough.
We don't give them enough credit.
Across the board, sure.
There's the the leaders, the ones who get into be whatever peer support leader or house leader and things like that.
But it's one role, isn't it?
In a school of how many imagine if you know there was these beautiful, informal ways where kids could speak up about where their needs are.
Being met and not being there and they're concerned for how the schools meeting environmental needs and.
So as a parent I think I've I've been really.
We've been really strong in advocating for our kids to speak up for themselves and and really, you know, let them make mistakes and step in.
Obviously when needed.
But to illustrate to them, they're powerful, they're.
They've got good thoughts.
They've got good ideas and they know themselves bear.
So I think when you're lucky enough to get educators who can see that for what it is and there are, there are educators there that do.
And really, there have been teachers that have really appreciated that initiative and that inside in that articulation.
I just think there's magic in that across.
If that was to be something that.
Was encouraged across the board.
Yeah, and like in edges speak we we call that Co creation and student voice.
Yeah, it's just so nice to hear you articulate what that actually means to you.
And that's definitely something for us to go away and think about in terms of, you know how?
When's the last time we asked?
Our students about their needs and actually really listened.
Uhm, yeah, so I might just set that as a homework task for the week.
Send people on their way to think about that because.
I think perhaps you know we we talk about learning needs and stuff a lot, but there's there's a lot of other needs that that go unaddressed, and we often assume that we know what all of those needs are rather than.
Asking the question.
Yeah it should not.
And you know what?
No worries and and I think the important thing is that the first time you asked that question, you know they might not know what to say, because how often do particularly teenagers get asked, you know?
Do you need like yeah or what might?
What might help you to, you know, really feel empowered and it might sort of take them back and.
Maybe you'll ask it again.
And I'll be like.
Oh, I don't know.
And then maybe the third time they'll be like.
Well, actually I've been giving it some thought and.
You know, so it's.
It's also not about it being a A.
Uh, one off conversation like the first time I said to my daughter, well, you need to email your teacher about that.
She was like like an email to child or knew what would.
I say I might.
You'll figure it out.
You know, you know you know how to navigate a computer, so let them know what what's wrong, what you need, and you know it's that skill is.
The tips appreciate it.
The sheep she now has good rapport with these teachers and communicating and.
You know the first time wasn't easy, she.
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Didn't know what to say.
00:58:22 Speaker 2
Like anything, it's it's a.
It's a conversation, isn't it?
That goes on and and uh, and a muscle.
A man and a trust.
You know 'cause kids aren't used to teachers.
Oh, I'm listen.
Maybe asking what do they need so it might not be a question.
They immediately know how to answer.
Yeah, and that's that's why it really has to be embedded in the culture and not just being tokenistic thing or a one day workshop or something you just do with the school leaders.
I think it's a practice that we all need to invest in on the daily.
Well, Amanda, I think I've kept you for long enough.
Time flies when you're having soup.
And that I'm sorry.
I'm I'm so grateful for the opportunity to talk to you on the teacher.
The podcast and thanks for everything you've added to our learning, and you've opened our minds to some new ideas.
So yeah, thanks for all that you've brought to.
The table thank you for having me.
I really enjoyed the conversation.
And yeah, can we talk about this?
Sort of stuff for.
00:59:28 Speaker 4
No worries at all.
Awesome, well I will see you soon.
Best thank you.