Teacher Healer - Education for Real Change

Amanda Freeman: Supporting individual needs and energies

March 28, 2022 Amanda Freeman Season 1 Episode 8
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Amanda Freeman: Supporting individual needs and energies
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In this episode, I’m joined by Amanda Freeman, Energy Coach and Facilitator. Amanda speaks about how her experience with disability and adult education taught her the value in supporting individual needs in learning environments. She also talks about the power of reiki as a tool for healing for kids as well as adults.

Amanda helps purpose-driven well-being professionals and therapists develop both the confidence and the go-forward plan to reach their most cherished life and career goals. In safe, sacred space they conquer fears, clear energy blocks, and develop sky-high confidence in order to make powerful, intuitive life and career decisions.

An adult educator, experienced Reiki Master and parent of teenagers, Amanda understands how important it is to cater for diverse learner needs and meet people where they are at.

Your homework:

  • Consider how you might better support your students or children with their diverse needs in ways that make them feel seen, but not stand out.
  • Look for opportunities to ask your students, colleagues or family members about their needs and really listen to their responses.

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00:00:00 Janine 

Amanda Freeman is an energy coach and facilitator who helps purpose driven well being. 

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Professionals and therapists develop confidence and skills to reach their most cherished life and career goals. 

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When she's not holding space for her clients, you'll find her walking in the forest snuggling her pup, swimming, drinking, herbal teas. 

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Or learning about all things, healing, spirituality, conscious business and personal growth. 

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Listen to U.S. 

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chat about Amanda experiences with energy healing. 

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How battling an injury throughout her high school years affected her experience of mainstream schooling and learn from her experience gained by teaching adults in her private. 

00:00:50 Janine 

Amanda welcome to the teacher healer podcast thanks so much for joining us. 

00:00:55 Amanda 

Well, thank you for having me. 

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I'm very feel very privileged to be here chatting to you today. 

00:01:01 Janine 

Well, it's really nice to have someone come on the podcast who's got a good connection with me we. 

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Got a bit of. 

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A history together. 

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So I'm really excited to dig in and have some really good conversation. 

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Now you are a private adult educator and an energy coach. 

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Would you mind just for the audience who doesn't know what that means? 

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Just filling us in a little bit about what you do? 

00:01:26 Amanda 

Yeah, sure, Umso energy coach kind of is so far the best way I've been able to articulate the fact that I work both with energy and also with the practicality, particularly in the work I do. 

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I work a lot with professionals a lot with small business. 

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Owners along with proof. 

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With entrepreneurs and what I found is that my journey originally started as a uh, Reiki channel. 

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So I think I'll probably have to explain a bit more about. 

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That a little bit later. 

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But as a hands on healing therapist and what happened is that as I started. 

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To treat more. 

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People people were like, oh, how do I learn? 

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This so I was like OK. 

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Well, I'll go and learn how to teach and then I'll come back and I'll teach you and so that's what I did. 

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And so I kind of just followed these universal bread crumbs. 

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If you like and moved from very much holding space for people as a healer to teaching them how to heal themselves and. 

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How to self regulate and do self healing and then a lot of my clients then went well. 

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Actually I'm really enjoying this and I want to start teaching. 

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So how do? 

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I learn how to be a practitioner or how? 

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Do I learn? 

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How to be a teacher and that was when I sort of began to crossover into more supporting small business owners and entrepreneurs. 

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'cause I. 

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Was actually teaching. 

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The skills of of how to be a healer but not how to then run a business. 

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And I think it's often assumed that if you're passionate about something and you're good at something that you know how to turn that into a business. 

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And what I found very quickly was that that's not the case, and so probably in about 2015. 

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I really moved into working a lot with small business owners and professionals and that. 

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That meant that probably the last seven years I've more and more started working in this. 

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That arena, which blends steal the energy healing and the skills that I, you know, have had right from when I started my business in 2010 to also coaching and mentoring. 

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So a lot more of that practical stuff like OK, what are the solutions we need to find? 

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What are the mindset blocks here going on? 

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And also, what are the energetic aspects that are coming into play? 

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That's it in a nutshell. 

00:03:46 Janine 

Cool story, so you've kind of fully into it a little bit by people making a lot of requests about, you know to learn more, which is really exciting. 

00:03:55 Janine 

So it sounds like people are really interested in in what you're doing. 

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And so just to go back to the the Reiki practitioner, can you tell us a little bit about Reiki? 

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For those who don't know what that is? 

00:04:07 Amanda 

Yeah, sure. 

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So Reiki is an ancient Japanese healing technique. 

00:04:13 Amanda 

I came across it when I was 20, so I had a an accident when I was 11 and had spent you know many many years looking for modalities to sort of support me in my healing and UM came across Reiki. 

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Someone just said one. 

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Time or if. 

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You ever tried Reiki before? 

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I'm like. 

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Oh no, I haven't. 

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Why not? 

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And I had a really intense experience, kind of like in a hard moment of OK everything is gonna be OK within that. 

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Uhm, session and. 

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And as a result. 

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You know, sort of learned it from my own healing to support my own journey and overtime to sort of found people were asking me if I. 

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Could give them. 

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Reiki and whatnot. 

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And that's how that sort of came about, but. 

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In, in essence, what? 

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It is is the channeling of energy through your hands. 

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And UM, giving it to either yourself. 

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Or to someone else so. 

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When I say the channeling of energy, it's it's the premise that Reiki is universal. 

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Life Force energy is the energy that's all around us and that when we are giving healing using Reiki, we're not trying to fix someone or we're not trying to take anything away. 

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We're not trying to. 

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Uhm, do anything. 

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As a practitioner, we're literally just giving the energy. 

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That's all around us and sort of channeling it in a really focused. 

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Fashion for that person, energy or our own energy. 

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To then do what it needs to do to reach that equilibrium again so. 

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I really loved that. 

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Because I've always been a big believer in, you know, self sovereignty and being responsible for and healing. 

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And and I never really. 

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As a result, I've never really called myself a healer per say because. 

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I feel like a bum. 

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I feel like. 

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This idea of we're just given this beautiful energy and our bodies will do it what it needs really resonated with me. 

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So that's why I ended up sort of falling in love with it. 

00:06:13 Janine 

I think so. 

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That's cool. 

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I know like these days. 

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A lot of people are really happy sort of talking about. 

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I love your energy. 

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I can feel the vibes of this person, but it's a different concept altogether when you're talking about using the energy to heal. 

00:06:32 Janine 

Yeah, but it is getting more and more popular and I know like Gwyneth Paltrow has done a bunch of stuff on different energy healing modalities on goop lab, so maybe it's becoming a bit more mainstream now, but for the listeners so you know that's how I got in touch with Amanda is I wanted to learn more about Reiki. 

00:06:47 Janine 

I have my own experience at a music festival one time and my sister recommended. 

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There actually, she was one of her clients. 

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And yeah, so I I've done Reiki level 2 myself with Amanda and I gotta say, she's a fantastic teacher, so that's why we've got. 

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Her here with us. 

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So back to you, Amanda. 

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I know like we're in education podcasts here as well, so you know our business is kids and schools, but I was really interested to talk to you because of you've got that healing element and you do have that adult education experience. 

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And so I'm keen to hear a little bit about what you think Reiki has to offer to children. 

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And I know that you've introduced Reiki to young children before and your own children. 

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So what has that experience been like? 

00:07:35 Amanda 

Uhm, I think look Reiki I kind of I. 

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I remember when we were sort of talking about what we discussed in in this podcast interview I. 

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You know Reiki is a term for something that we all have inherently within us. 

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Anyway, in every culture there is. 

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If someone hurts himself or if someone sad, what do we do? 

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We hug. 

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Then we we rub their backs. 

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We you know we put our hands on to others and onto ourselves to soothe so you know, most cultures have a hands on. 

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Healing technique. 

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Uhm, I just happened to learn and and fall in love with Reiki. 

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But you know, within every culture you'll find it mentioned. 

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And so I think you know the. 

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Probably in terms of bringing it to to children is the best thing and why. 

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Why I think it's fabulous for children, particularly, you know kids who are struggling with self regulation regulation and things like that is that Reiki one of the best descriptions I've I've been given is if we think of when we're born, we're. 

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Born with this brilliant beautiful white bright light within our ourselves like our soul or our true being or our true selves right? 

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And then bit by bit you know someone you know. 

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Tells us off. 

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At some point and and you know, almost like a lampshade goes over that lot. 

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And then we grow up a bit more and then maybe another trauma happens up another. 

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Another lampshade, dims that light a little bit, and then we get older again. 

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You know our teenage years and we shrink ourselves another lampshade and so. 

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By the time we become an adult. 

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There are so. 

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Many layers covering this light that's always been there out in a Reiki. 

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If you like always there. 

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We didn't need an initiation or. 

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A workshop to to have that. 

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Unfold always been there, but it's so cover. 

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Up from, you know, trying to protect ourselves or navigate. 

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Challenges that we've. 

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Become disconnected from it and and the truest example of this was when I ran a children class. 

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And you know, I had all these expectations. 

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Having run, you know, so many adult classes by that by this stage. 

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You know, in my teacher journey. 

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I sort of had. 

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This real, you know. 

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I guess thought of. 

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How it was going to unfold? 

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But the truth was these kids new Reiki already. 

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They knew what it felt like. 

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They were feeling energy before we even did any of the initiation process is like they they just knew it. 

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It was, it was just. 

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Present within them they could feel each others energy. 

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They could feel their own energy they could articulate. 

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What energy felt like in terms of how you know what energy felt like when they were sad? 

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What energy felt like when they were? 

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Happy what what? 

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You know, feeling the energy we went outside and what did the energies of the trees feel like and how is that different? 

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You know too. 

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To themselves and I actually thought with an adult class at the end of the level 1 trainings we give Reiki to each other and I kind of thought you know these. 

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The kids are probably too young and and maybe that wouldn't be appropriate. 

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To to do. 

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That they might be nervous about, you know, giving you know healing to someone else, and. 

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They were like. 

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So when do we get to jump on a table and give? 

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It to. 

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Other people like, hey, let's do it was better. 

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In the work so myself and the. 

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Other parents who were press. 

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And, you know, jumped on and received this healing from these kids I. 

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Think the youngest was six and the. 

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Eldest was 12 and there was I. 

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Think 8 of them. 

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Up and there was no difference in the strength or the potency or the the. 

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You know, the difference in the energy to. 

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An adult that I've received Reiki from so it was. 

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It was quite a phenomenal experience for me. 

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To really see that. 

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Description In action of you know kids. 

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Just get it. 

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When they're given that ability to. 

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Have words and language around what they already inherently know. 

00:11:40 Amanda 

It's such a gift and and in the years following that, you know I'd get messages from time to time from the parents saying all such and such has got. 

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Their first day. 

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Of school and they said don't worry mum, I'm gonna give myself some Reiki before I go or such and such has been in hospital with tonsillitis. 

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But you know. 

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We did some Reiki beforehand and they felt really calm going in and it wasn't the drama. 

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I thought it was going to be. 

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And you know. 

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It really was this experience. 

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Of these kids, noticing when they needed extra support. 

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And being able to give the. 

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To themselves and to identify. 

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Or what do I need right now? 

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Oh, I need to stop and pause and really address that my energy is not feeling so great right now. 

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And how cool that I you know? 

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Yes, of course they still need their parents for that support and and other other people in their. 

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Life, but they really all had this. 

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Inner strength and this. 

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Trusting themselves that you know that experience of Reiki. 

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Gave them it. 

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Gave them a language to describe what that looked like. 

00:12:41 Janine 

That is so cool and it got a great story and what a great example of children like. 

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You know, feeling empowered in themselves and connected. 

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To each other. Wow, yeah. 

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Love that. 

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I'm like I'm interested in hearing you talk about the language having the language to talk about things they already inherently know. 

00:13:03 Janine 

I've been looking into quite a bit about social emotional learning in the early years recently, and also consent education and and it's all about having the language. 

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To talk about. 

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Feelings and boundaries and personal experiences, the things that happen in our inner world and. 

00:13:23 Janine 

That's exactly what you're describing there, so that's really it's very cool skill to have. 

00:13:28 Amanda 

Oh so cool and my kids, you know my my oldest daughter was in that class. 

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My youngest daughter actually taught her one to one. 

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I didn't have a a class gathered at at the time that she felt she wanted. 

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And you know, for both my kids, it was 100%, you know, a choice. They knew what I did. 

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They've been around me and Reiki, and being, you know, recipients of that for many years and it was, you know, really up to them whether they wanted to or not, and. 

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Again, that choice to be able to say, yeah, actually I'm. 

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I'm curious about this and. 

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And how, yeah, their own timing of of taking that step if they. 

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Wanted to do was really cool to to just see. 

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See how that unfolded. 

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And again, it is. 

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It's all about that consent. 

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And I mean Reiki is very much like that anyway. 

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It's all about. 

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This again premise of. 

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You know we're not. 

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We're not trying to fix. 

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Anyone with? 

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We're just taking responsibility for ourselves, and if we are open to receiving and persons open to giving, then what, uh, you know what an empowering exchange for everybody. 

00:14:34 Janine 

That's cool, like I also heard you talk about the fact that this energy healing is so. 

00:14:42 Janine 

Present in so many different cultures around the world and has been so for a very long time and still is used. 

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And it just makes you sort of think about how how we skip that. 

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Like missed that bus. 

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Do you know what? 

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I mean when so many people in the world have access to this and use it as a gorgeous tool for themselves and their loved ones and their communities. 

00:15:06 Janine 

I, I think it's really great that it's becoming more and more popular in mainstream culture, Western culture and and I think for me it really helps me connect and understand a little bit more. 

00:15:19 Janine 

You know what? 

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First Nations Australian communities have to offer? 

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Yeah, because I know that you know Aboriginal healing is is starting to become more known about. 

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Yeah, and it's really nice that there isn't that same level of stigma that might have been around that topic and. 

00:15:41 Janine 

Yeah, that there's a connection that was. 

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That's something that we can share and learn from. 

00:15:45 Amanda 

Absolutely, and that's yeah, that's one of the examples that I definitely had front of mind. 

00:15:50 Amanda 

I've actually had a, uh, an Aboriginal healing. 

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They're from South Australia the the healers that I had a session from and you know so similar in some ways. 

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Terakki you know that touched that healing touch and different in in other ways as well. 

00:16:06 Amanda 

And one of my beautiful clients actually gave me a book which you know really goes into detail. 

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They they share where the. 

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Wisdom came from and how they use the practice. 

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And it's just so beautiful. 

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Like to think. 

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Yeah, like we don't even necessarily need to learn Reiki. 

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We can just trust our own. 

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You know, out in a in a bright light and our inner self healing, you know to bring into our everyday. 

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And I think you know. 

00:16:34 Amanda 

Schools are bringing mindfulness in. 

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There are a lot of schools now that are bringing in. 

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Things like yoga. 

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Most schools I know my daughters are in high school, have a well being centre where they. 

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You know, have safe spaces to go, so I think we're heading in the right direction with this stuff. 

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I think it's we're moving into a space where it's not. 

00:16:59 Amanda 

Yeah, it's people are more able to talk about their energy or how they're feeling, what their needs are, and I don't think that was certainly not really present when. 

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I was at school a. 

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Long time ago. 

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So yeah, you know, I just think the more tools we can give our young people. 

00:17:19 Amanda 

For that self soothing that self regulation the more. 

00:17:24 Amanda 

Or we're going to have self regulating adults and emotionally intelligent adults. 


You know? 

00:17:30 Janine 

Umm I have a have a weird question I I don't know if you have a religious background but I was brought up Catholic and I know my primary education. 

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Majority of that was in the Catholic school and that would have been, you know, this sort of been a conversation. 

00:17:44 Janine 

It would have been quite frowned on, I think, even though I think if you re. 

00:17:48 Janine 

Read the story of the New Testament of Jason Story. 

00:17:52 Janine 

You kind of like well, come on now there's stared links here. 

00:17:56 Janine 

This man is an energy here. 

00:17:57 Speaker 4 

Yeah, Anton, who? 

00:17:58 Janine 

You know how is that? 

00:18:00 Janine 

A non Christian thing? 

00:18:02 Janine 

So do you have you met many people who are religious who've done Ricky or have opinions about Ricky and how they see that either connecting or opposing their beliefs? 

00:18:12 Amanda 

Yeah, not really. 

00:18:13 Amanda 

Interesting question actually and and quite quite funny because yeah, my one of my well my grandmother was Catholic. 

00:18:21 Amanda 

We weren't brought up Catholic much to her horror. 

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She used to give my. 

00:18:26 Amanda 

Dad so much grief I think I. 

00:18:28 Amanda 

Was christened and then that was it, but a lot of my family are religious, and actually. 

00:18:32 Amanda 

One of my aunties is very heavily involved in the Catholic Church and she's a Reiki channel and has always been very open about that and so actually wasn't or isn't frowned upon in in. 

00:18:42 Amanda 

You know how she practices and I remember at one point I actually. 

00:18:47 Amanda 

In my sort of late teens dated someone who was very strict Christian and I just sort of come. 

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Across Reiki and. 

00:18:56 Amanda 

I'm like come and learn it with me like this before I did my training and he's like I can't. 

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You know it's not. 

00:19:02 Amanda 

It's not within sort of the boundaries of my faith, and my auntie actually sent me. 

00:19:06 Amanda 

This whole list. 

00:19:07 Amanda 

Of quotes from the Bible that speak to hands on healing and physician, heal myself and you know, like I'm. 

00:19:14 Amanda 

Like but look look in. 

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The Bible. 

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It's here. 

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It's here. 

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It's here. 

00:19:17 Amanda 

It's here, it's here, but he really dumb. 

00:19:21 Amanda 

Couldn't couldn't even consider that as as being you know. 

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Acceptable as part of his. 

00:19:27 Amanda 

Faith so similarly I've had people come and train with. 

00:19:31 Amanda 

Me, who have had. 

00:19:33 Amanda 

Uhm, religious upbringing and have not been I, I guess struggled with the concept of Reiki, but more this concept of evil and witchcraft. 

00:19:45 Amanda 

And and the fact that it might fall. 

00:19:47 Amanda 

Into that category which is. 

00:19:49 Amanda 

Not what it is at all, it's a. 

00:19:52 Amanda 

Very, you know. 

00:19:53 Amanda 

Pure self. 

00:19:55 Amanda 

Orientated, you know there's no negative connotations at all in Reiki again, which is why I think I'm really drawn to it, but there was definitely. 

00:20:04 Amanda 

Some people over. 

00:20:05 Amanda 

The years have come and said, oh, I'm just worried that you know what? 

00:20:08 Amanda 

What about the bad energy? 

00:20:09 Amanda 

You know, if this is good energy, where's the bad sort of thing as a result of you know? 

00:20:15 Amanda 

Religious experiences that talk a lot about evil or. 

00:20:19 Amanda 

Evil spirits or things like that, so that's definitely come up a lot in the past. 

00:20:25 Amanda 

And then yeah, I guess there's people like myself who. 

00:20:30 Amanda 

Aren't really just that consider themselves sort of spiritual in that that that we feel a connection to something bigger than ourselves. 

00:20:37 Amanda 

And this is one way that. 

00:20:39 Amanda 

We can sort of connect into that our higher self and that I guess higher power yeah. 

00:20:47 Janine 

Yeah, thanks for clarifying some of that. 

00:20:50 Janine 

So it seems to be a bit of a mixed bag. 


Yeah, oh gosh. 

00:20:52 Janine 

Depending on people doctrines and what they're believing and stuff. 

00:20:56 Janine 

I mean for me, I sort of it seems like obvious that it's very similar to the. 

00:21:01 Janine 

The gifts of the Holy Spirit that were given to the disciples after the resurrection. 

00:21:05 Janine 

Jesus seems very similar, so for me to have that conflict with religion is a bit of a shame and a bit confusing, but I can completely understand why some people. 

00:21:14 Janine 

You know it's hard to enter into something you really just don't understand, and the thing that I found when I discovered, or a key, or was able to do, you know, after having been into my first course with you, it, it didn't enter my imagination that this kind of thing was possible or real. 

00:21:34 Janine 

And and until you have that experience, you can't understand. 

00:21:38 Janine 

And so I've just at the point, I'm like well. 

00:21:41 Janine 

I can't now judge people who see ghosts. 

00:21:44 Janine 

I can't judge people who have other experiences that I haven't had because I haven't had it, but that doesn't make it not real for them. 

00:21:53 Amanda 

Yeah, and that's that's it in a nutshell, isn't it? 

00:21:56 Amanda 

We can, we can only go by our experiences and and probably I mean I was always brought up in a very. 

00:22:02 Amanda 

Some sort of open minded spiritual my dad side of the family particularly were you know, there was a quite a few hippies sprinkled in his enormous Irish Catholic family. 

00:22:12 Amanda 

And so we were always sort of, you know, open to herbs. 

00:22:16 Amanda 

And my Nana was always going with that hurt guard heard from the garden and like if she wasn't. 

00:22:21 Speaker 4 

Catholic I would have. 

00:22:21 Amanda 

Called her a kitchen witch because she was like. 

00:22:23 Amanda 

So deeply into medicinal herbs. 

00:22:24 Speaker 2 

Ha ha. 

00:22:26 Amanda 

And like the basil for concentration and that you know, come and have a look at this amazing crop of. 

00:22:32 Amanda 

Whatever beautiful lettuce and like she, she just had the most magic green thumb and just the most incredible garden. 

00:22:41 Amanda 

And that was her medicine, you know, so I. 

00:22:45 Amanda 

I remember I was. 

00:22:47 Amanda 

I was going to go with that, but I think for me it wasn't a big leap. 

00:22:53 Amanda 

It wasn't, it wasn't 'cause. 

00:22:54 Amanda 

I remember that first session I had. 

00:22:56 Amanda 

I mean, I've had so many manual therapies and healing therapies by that point to try and help me with the pain I was experiencing and I'd never had this experience. 

00:23:03 Amanda 

Like I, I was literally lying on the table. 

00:23:05 Amanda 

And she was. 

00:23:06 Amanda 

Doing the process and it was like a light went on in my heart space like like an actual light. 

00:23:13 Amanda 

And I felt oh everything is gonna be OK and I had been in a pretty dark place. 

00:23:18 Amanda 

Prior to that, so that in itself was significant, and then when I did my Loki one class, I, you know didn't consider myself very spiritual or I thought I'm going to be the one in this. 

00:23:30 Amanda 

Group that can't do this, you know? 

00:23:34 Speaker 4 

Yeah, something that all my in every single class everyone there's at least one person that goes. 

00:23:38 Speaker 4 

I'm surely going to be the one that this doesn't work for. 

00:23:41 Amanda 

That was me in my class. 

00:23:43 Amanda 

And sure, and I've had these incredible experiences of feeling energy and sensing things and and seeing things that I prior to that moment in time. 

00:23:52 Amanda 

Never would have thought would have been. 

00:23:55 Amanda 

Within my capacity to do so as just like a normal everyday person. 

00:24:00 Amanda 

So yeah, I think it's definitely something to be experienced. 

00:24:04 Amanda 

And even when I you know first started doing treatments, I remember having one one person come in and his wife had got a voucher and he. 

00:24:14 Amanda 

You know he had been having a rough time and so she. 

00:24:16 Amanda 

Sent him along. 

00:24:17 Amanda 

With that, just so absolutely no belief whatsoever that this. 

00:24:20 Amanda 

Was even gonna do anything. 

00:24:22 Amanda 

And he actually. 

00:24:22 Amanda 

Said that, he sat on the table and. 

00:24:24 Amanda 

He said just so. 

00:24:25 Amanda 

You know, I don't believe in. 

00:24:26 Amanda 

Any of this ship but my wife said it might help, so I'm gonna give it a go. 

00:24:31 Amanda 

No, like OK then this is going to be. 

00:24:33 Amanda 

Interesting, and by the time he. 

00:24:35 Amanda 

Left he was like. 

00:24:37 Speaker 4 

I don't even. 

00:24:38 Amanda 

Know what you just did, but. 

00:24:41 Amanda 

Wow wow like he was just kind of speechless 'cause he you know just thought it was all going to be a bunch of rubbish and and left feeling really. 

00:24:50 Amanda 

All the things that he needed to feel for his hearing at that. 

00:24:53 Amanda 

Time so it's yeah. 

00:24:55 Amanda 

It's always interesting to see how different people. 

00:24:58 Janine 

Yeah, yeah yeah, I think it just comes down to you. 

00:25:00 Speaker 2 

That was fun. 

00:25:02 Janine 

Just don't know what you don't know. 

00:25:04 Janine 

Are dumb. 

00:25:06 Janine 

And the more we're learning, the more we're being open to new things, which is pretty nice. 

00:25:11 Amanda 

It is and I think the reason. 

00:25:12 Amanda 

I love Reiki as well is. 

00:25:14 Amanda 

'cause it's very much doctrine free. 

00:25:15 Amanda 

So you can be whatever religion you want and still be a Reiki channel like there's no need to adhere to any particular you know practices in your life or. 

00:25:27 Amanda 

It's all about coming home to yourself. 

00:25:29 Amanda 

At the end of the day, you know it's all about just clearing things within your energy and clearing your mind and clearing your every every aspect of yourself so that light that inner light can just shine as brightly as as possible. 

00:25:44 Amanda 

So I think that's what I love about it too. 

00:25:46 Amanda 

It's you don't have to change who you are. 

00:25:48 Amanda 

You don't have to go. 

00:25:49 Amanda 

You have to meditate for five hours a day to use it. 

00:25:52 Amanda 

You don't have to become a vegetarian if you don't want to. 

00:25:55 Amanda 

Like you know what I mean like it's. 

00:25:57 Amanda 

Not a religion. 

00:25:59 Amanda 

And so it just makes it so accessible to people and I. 

00:26:04 Amanda 

I actually redid. 

00:26:06 Amanda 

My training with the Japanese teacher would be about five years ago now 'cause I was really curious to see what you know, having been taught by an an amazing Western teacher who had, you know, being learned by someone else who is from the West actually learn learn Reiki from someone who was Japanese and to ensure that you know. 

00:26:25 Amanda 

Was it appropriate? 

00:26:26 Amanda 

Made it even be practicing this and and teaching this. 

00:26:29 Amanda 

Given that I'm Australian like you know, cultural appropriation is something. 

00:26:34 Amanda 

I'm very aware of and never sort of wanted to. 

00:26:39 Amanda 

Yeah to to be doing that and he was just like everyone should. 

00:26:44 Amanda 

Have it like. 

00:26:45 Amanda 

Everyone needs Reiki like teach everybody like he. 

00:26:49 Amanda 

Was just like. 

00:26:50 Amanda 

This is we we need this in our world like in order for our world to change. 

00:26:55 Amanda 

I'm totally paraphrasing here, he's an incredibly. 

00:26:57 Amanda 

Uh, incredibly humorous, very humble, lovely teacher. 

00:27:03 Amanda 

Yeah, I really. 

00:27:04 Amanda 

I really loved that training, but it really gave me that sense of peace of OK, cool like it's OK that I do this as long as I'm saying true to the teachings. 

00:27:15 Amanda 

And you know, one, probably one of the things that. 

00:27:18 Amanda 

We tend to do in the West, around appropriation and, and this is rife with Reiki. 

00:27:23 Amanda 

That and this I do. 

00:27:25 Amanda 

You know, really struggle with is when people go. 

00:27:26 Amanda 

Well I've created. 

00:27:27 Amanda 

My own ranking it's called such and such Reiki and it's like, well, you've kind of been gifted. 

00:27:32 Amanda 

This teachings from this lineages that's from another culture and you know like create your own healing modality by all means. 

00:27:40 Amanda 

But if you're going to call it Reiki, then you really need to honor. 

00:27:43 Amanda 

That Lenny Edge otherwise that. 

00:27:44 Amanda 

Is kind of in my mind appropriation, so that's something that I've come across a lot and. 

00:27:52 Amanda 

Yeah, I find really challenging. 

00:27:54 Amanda 

Plus, you know a lot of things have moved online and and this really is such a such an experiential. 

00:28:03 Amanda 

Modality that to to move it completely online, particularly with the teaching I think, leaves a lot of room for missed learning and missed depth. 

00:28:14 Amanda 

There is a place for it in some ways, but I think, yeah, that's that's something that the world of Reiki is having to reckon with. 

00:28:21 Amanda 

Now with all with everything moving online. 

00:28:23 Janine 

But as well as everyone else. 

00:28:25 Amanda 

Yeah yeah, so finding how how do we honor that and how do we honor the the teaching? 

00:28:30 Amanda 

And how do we honor the sacredness of it and the fact that it is from a different. 

00:28:35 Amanda 

Culture to our own and also evolve with, you know, changing technology and changing circumstances like you know kovid. 

00:28:44 Amanda 

So it's yeah, it's a big kind of worms that one but. 

00:28:48 Amanda 

Yeah, yeah. 

00:28:50 Janine 

So it's actually really great that you know you you got an opportunity to do that to go to Japan and be taught by Japanese teacher. 

00:28:57 Janine 

Actually fits Accent and Melbourne. 

00:28:58 Amanda 

And it was in Melbourne he came to. 

00:28:59 Amanda 

Mum said well, he came to. 

00:29:01 Janine 

Melbourne either. 


But I didn't have to travel. 

00:29:02 Speaker 2 

Even better. 

00:29:08 Janine 

And he said that everyone everyone should benefit from these. 

00:29:10 Janine 

That's pretty exciting, and I guess that's part of the reason I have you here on this podcast is to just what if it a little bit in terms of what? 

00:29:19 Janine 

What if this became part of mainstream education and our kids learned this from an early age and it was something that was quite. 

00:29:28 Janine 

Common and broadly taught what? 

00:29:32 Janine 

What benefits do you think that would bring to the kids and and to society? 

00:29:38 Amanda 

Gosh, I think first and foremost you know it would be that self autonomy that self soothing that ability to say. 

00:29:45 Amanda 

I'm not feeling great. 

00:29:46 Amanda 

I can put my hands on and just take a moment. 

00:29:48 Amanda 

You know, hands on my body, imagine the healing energy coming into my body and feel that energy and just calm myself. 

00:29:56 Amanda 

So I think that that self. 

00:29:58 Amanda 

Them self regulation would be a game changer but also compassion. 

00:30:03 Amanda 

Like I know before my my daughter was in well when my daughter was in Prep. 

00:30:07 Amanda 

My youngest, she came home one day and she said mum Maddie went home today. 

00:30:12 Amanda 

She had a sore tummy. 

00:30:14 Amanda 

I did give her some Reiki. 

00:30:15 Amanda 

It didn't help but I did try. 

00:30:18 Amanda 

And, uh, yeah she's she's gone. 

00:30:22 Amanda 

Home sick. 

00:30:23 Amanda 

And just this idea that you know 'cause obviously it through her childhood you know their own well. 

00:30:27 Amanda 

Would you like to make here? 

00:30:28 Amanda 

Yes please mum you know. 

00:30:29 Amanda 

Like just they're so used to when when they run well, that's that's what helps them feel better that she just had this from our heart. 

00:30:37 Amanda 

Just here, I'll. 

00:30:38 Amanda 

Give you some Reiki. 

00:30:38 Amanda 

Obviously asked her friends permission and her friend obviously said yes, we've always spoken about the fact you know that you don't just walk up to someone. 

00:30:46 Amanda 

Give them like yeah, it's always asking if you like it and if they say no respecting that. 

00:30:47 Speaker 4 

Cool math. 

00:30:50 Amanda 

Uhm, but I think. 

00:30:52 Amanda 

Again, like just that, that learning of of consent. 

00:30:55 Amanda 

Uhm, it's it's helpful for that. 

00:30:57 Amanda 

And yeah, just that compassion like the first thing she thought was. 

00:31:00 Amanda 

I can do something here I can. 

00:31:02 Amanda 

I can help my friend feel better. 

00:31:04 Amanda 

And you can imagine what what an impact that would have in a in an environment. 

00:31:08 Amanda 

You know when when kids are taught the appropriate. 

00:31:12 Amanda 

Way which is. 

00:31:13 Amanda 

You know Reg keys for ourselves first. 

00:31:16 Amanda 

You know, particularly with children, they're not really going to be trained at a level to give Reiki to others, but if someone, if you feel like someone needs some comfort. 

00:31:24 Amanda 

You can always ask them and say would you like me to hold your hand and give you some Reiki or would you like me to break your foot that you've just heard? 

00:31:31 Amanda 

Until the teacher gets. 

00:31:32 Amanda 

Here, or you know, like there's this real, this real possibility. 

00:31:36 Amanda 

Of of of that, compassion and care being. 

00:31:41 Amanda 

Yeah, I don't know. 

00:31:43 Amanda 

That's that's what I've witnessed with my own kids through their experience of it for sure. 

00:31:50 Janine 

That's lovely. 

00:31:53 Janine 

I know like you've talked a little bit about your injury and I just I wondered if you could unpack that a little bit in terms of. 

00:32:01 Janine 

Just so that the audience can understand a little bit better about how you found raking white helped you, but also you know what was it like being in school in in mainstream education when you were battling this? 

00:32:17 Amanda 

Yeah, well, I mean, I guess speaking to the first part for me come from the age of 11. 

00:32:24 Amanda 

You know right up until I came across Reiki I'd had practitioners do things to my body. 

00:32:30 Amanda 

So whether that be osteopath or chiropractor or physio's or Chinese medicine practitioners or whatever like I. 

00:32:36 Amanda 

Really felt like. 

00:32:37 Amanda 

Other people were. 

00:32:40 Amanda 

In control of my healing and I was just kind of bumbling along for the ride and hoping that something would help or something wouldn't make it worse, you know, and what I remember, you know so clearly from those initial sessions of Reiki was that she said, you know, you can learn this for yourself like you don't have to be coming here every week. 

00:33:01 Amanda 

Uhm, now that you know what it feels like. 

00:33:03 Amanda 

Now that you know. 

00:33:04 Amanda 

That it's helping you that you can. 

00:33:06 Amanda 

You can learn this yourself and so from that level it was incredibly empowering to think oh what I'm. I'm powerful enough to impact my own healing. And you know, I think I was like 1919 maybe 20. 

00:33:21 Amanda 

At that time, and that's a long time that's like 9 year. 

00:33:24 Amanda 

As of of basically feeling disempowered in my own body so and and as though my body was at the at the. 

00:33:35 Amanda 

Women of other others, and I think you know I don't think consent was a big thing back then either. 

00:33:42 Amanda 

And you know, when I reflect back on even that experience of having treatments from practitioners, there were times where something they were doing didn't feel OK. 

00:33:51 Amanda 

And as a trial they didn't feel. 

00:33:56 Amanda 

I didn't have the language to say, actually, I don't like that. 

00:33:59 Amanda 

I don't like it when you do that, you know, is there another way? 

00:34:01 Amanda 

I would just go well, they know best. 

00:34:03 Amanda 

They're the practitioner and I want. 

00:34:05 Amanda 

My back fixed so. 

00:34:07 Amanda 

So that that was, you know, I think that was why Reiki was so so powerful. 

00:34:11 Amanda 

Just having that permission to take ownership of my own healing journey. 

00:34:16 Amanda 

In in terms of having an injury like that as a kid again. 

00:34:21 Amanda 

It was tough because, you know, this is before there was, you know, legislation and wording in schools about inclusivity and you know meeting the needs of all children where they are. 

00:34:36 Amanda 

I mean, I'm sure that was spoken about, but I definitely don't remember hearing. 

00:34:39 Amanda 

OK, you've now got. 

00:34:41 Amanda 

An injury slash disability. 

00:34:43 Amanda 

Here's your. 

00:34:44 Amanda 

Support plan those words were never spoken to me. 

00:34:46 Amanda 

I got. 

00:34:46 Amanda 

Given a chair, a padded chair to sit on. 

00:34:49 Amanda 

There therefore I was really killed and othered by other kids. 

00:34:52 Amanda 

Help him sugars to sit. 

00:34:53 Amanda 

On the chair. 

00:34:53 Amanda 

Well, you know we're building. 


Is in there, yeah? 

00:34:55 Amanda 

Floor and like here I am on this chair. 

00:34:57 Amanda 

Just wanting to be on the floor but physically unable to be on the floor 'cause the injury was to my coccyx bone. 

00:35:02 Amanda 

So I I couldn't sit on the hard floor. 

00:35:04 Amanda 

And and not really. 

00:35:06 Amanda 

Yeah, it wasn't. 

00:35:07 Amanda 

Even it wasn't sort of discussed like that. 

00:35:10 Amanda 

There would be children within the class that might have different sensory needs or different mobility needs or different learning needs. 

00:35:20 Amanda 

And I think I'm grateful that that's definitely changed. 

00:35:24 Amanda 

I mean, even you know, as a as a teacher of of Reiki and as a facilitator, facilitate sacred circles as well. 

00:35:33 Amanda 

And I've facilitated workshops and all things from stress to intuition to self care like. 

00:35:40 Amanda 

Motivation Cross Nation like all the above and I think one of the gifts of of teaching Reiki was that I learned very quickly that the style. 

00:35:53 Amanda 

Of teaching that I had been taught, which suited me very well, which was I'm going to stand up here and I'm going to talk to you and you're going to read the booklet and maybe write some notes and then at the end you'll have the knowledge. 

00:36:04 Amanda 

Well, I learned very quickly when I started teaching that not everyone could learn that way, and so I really have to vary. 

00:36:14 Amanda 

Very quickly adapt to so that everyone would leave with the same depth of understanding to be like. 

00:36:20 Amanda 

OK, so first we do it like that. 

00:36:22 Amanda 

Then we get up and we do some practice and. 

00:36:25 Amanda 

Practical practice so the kinesthetic learners go. 

00:36:27 Amanda 

Oh, now I get. 

00:36:28 Amanda 

It you know, or the people who you. 

00:36:31 Amanda 

Know have ADHD and. 

00:36:32 Amanda 

Who really can't? 

00:36:33 Speaker 4 

It's still for a four hour block before like. 

00:36:36 Amanda 

Break, you know, I really was able to kind of just learn very much on the go that what those different learning styles look like and the difference that was made in understanding when I was able to meet the students where they were at. 

00:36:51 Amanda 

I mean, I had some adults, you know, grown adults who. 

00:36:56 Amanda 

We're like really struggling with the writing components because they were told when they were at school. 

00:37:00 Amanda 

You know they were stupid, or maybe they didn't finish. 

00:37:03 Amanda 

High school so. 

00:37:04 Amanda 

This kind of sitting at a desk with pen and paper it just totally triggered these memories of you know, really unhealthy school. 

00:37:11 Amanda 

Ling techniques and and. 

00:37:13 Amanda 

So it was really. 

00:37:15 Amanda 

Awesome to go. 

00:37:17 Amanda 

OK, that's not working for you. 

00:37:18 Amanda 

How else can we do this so that you can understand this process and feel really confident in it so that that sort of thing wasn't there when I was a kid. 

00:37:29 Amanda 

So you know, by the end of the day, I might be in. 

00:37:31 Amanda 

Quite a significant amount of pain, but I couldn't say to the teacher. 

00:37:34 Amanda 

Hey, you know, after about 3 hours of sitting I'm in quite a lot of discomfort, so I'm I'm gonna need to really get up. 

00:37:40 Amanda 

And move around a bit if that's OK. 

00:37:42 Amanda 

Uhm, no, that wasn't a thing and. 

00:37:46 Amanda 

Even when I think to high school, when I first went to high school, I had one of those bag trolleys 'cause I used to have to catch the bus and. 

00:37:54 Amanda 

Ridiculous amount of bloody but books you'd have to carry and everyone thought it was the funniest thing here I am this tiny year seven with this school bag. 

00:38:04 Amanda 

Dragging this trolley and now. 

00:38:06 Amanda 

What are? 

00:38:06 Amanda 

All the suitcases and what do people do they've got. 

00:38:08 Amanda 

Bags on wheels don't. 

00:38:09 Amanda 

They don't give me. 

00:38:10 Janine 

You're an innovator, Amanda. 

00:38:11 Amanda 

I was an. 

00:38:12 Amanda 

Innovator for sure, I just didn't make any money. 

00:38:14 Amanda 

Out of it. 

00:38:14 Amanda 

I probably should have, you know, we should wish my parents. 

00:38:17 Amanda 

Were entrepreneurs at the time and went oh there? 

00:38:19 Amanda 

We go so stuff like that like that was really challenging for me. 

00:38:23 Amanda 

Like just getting to school was painful because I couldn't check my bag on my back like everyone else. 

00:38:28 Amanda 

Or, you know, attending school camp, there wasn't a conversation with. 

00:38:32 Amanda 

OK, so you've got. 

00:38:33 Amanda 

A A back injury. 

00:38:36 Amanda 

We're going on an adventure camp. 

00:38:37 Amanda 

There's gonna be hiking. 

00:38:39 Amanda 

You gotta carry all. 

00:38:39 Amanda 

Your own supply. 

00:38:40 Amanda 

Was how? 

00:38:42 Amanda 

How are we going? 

00:38:43 Amanda 

To navigate that for you. 

00:38:44 Amanda 

No, I was just really lucky that my bestie carried my bags as well as her bag. 

00:38:49 Amanda 

And you know, I had a lot of eye rolling. 

00:38:52 Amanda 

From the poor people. 

00:38:53 Amanda 

That were, you know, paired up with me in the the physical activities that I I was in. 

00:38:59 Amanda 

You know, didn't have the capacity for and. 

00:39:01 Amanda 

When I look. 

00:39:01 Amanda 

Back I think gosh, you know that there would have been so many ways that that those situations could have been handled differently. 

00:39:09 Amanda 

But again, I didn't have the language or the. 

00:39:14 Amanda 

The framework to go? 

00:39:17 Amanda 

Oh, so how? 

00:39:18 Amanda 

How will my well being be supported through this given I have this injury like that just wasn't wasn't conversations you had and of course when you think of being a teenager as well, you don't want to be different. 

00:39:31 Amanda 

You want more childhood really all through you don't want to be different. 

00:39:34 Amanda 

Everyone else, do you absolutely no. 

00:39:35 Janine 

I know. 

00:39:37 Amanda 

So I yeah, so I'm excited for the fact that a lot of this is more. 

00:39:43 Amanda 

Seems to be not more normalized. 

00:39:45 Amanda 

Watching my children go through the education system. 

00:39:47 Amanda 

There's definitely it's not executed. 

00:39:51 Amanda 

You know, I wouldn't say it's executed. 

00:39:53 Amanda 

That great all of the time, but that's hugely different to you know 30 years ago, which. 

00:40:00 Speaker 2 

Is which is exciting. 

00:40:02 Amanda 

And and I do think it's important. 

00:40:03 Amanda 

I think anything that's going to. 

00:40:04 Amanda 

Give our kids. 

00:40:06 Amanda 

Language to talk about how they're feeling. 

00:40:08 Amanda 

How to self regulate? 

00:40:11 Amanda 

You know what practices work for them, so for some people the idea of Reiki as a child might feel amazing. 

00:40:16 Amanda 

For other kids that might be, you know, permission to move about a little bit. 

00:40:20 Amanda 

You know in between teachings for other kids. 

00:40:23 Amanda 

Still, it might be having some quiet space to take themselves off to to regulate, like I don't think. 

00:40:29 Amanda 

Reiki is certainly not a you know. 

00:40:33 Amanda 

One one thing. 

00:40:35 Amanda 

Suits all sort. 

00:40:36 Amanda 

Of scenario by any means, but it is. 

00:40:38 Amanda 

It is one of many you know, really positive. 

00:40:43 Amanda 

Strategies that I think would be yeah, really. 

00:40:46 Amanda 

A really good thing to to bring in. 

00:40:49 Amanda 

Early to normalize. 

00:40:52 Janine 

Now let's pray suborder, our toolbox and if we can widen our thinking a little bit into into new areas that gives us more options, doesn't. 

00:41:00 Amanda 

100% and that's what it's all about and you know, with having worked with just and and trained so many people over the past 12 years, we're we're all just so different. 

00:41:11 Amanda 

And and when we get, when we find a way of doing something that suits us, it's like magic, isn't it? 

00:41:20 Amanda 

We can go, oh. 

00:41:21 Amanda 

This is the way you know this is the way like standing desks for some people. 

00:41:25 Amanda 

Oh my gosh. 

00:41:27 Amanda 

Well, she's been all. 

00:41:27 Janine 

I love him. 


My life, you know. 


Yeah, I love them. 

00:41:31 Janine 

All that sort of stuff. 

00:41:33 Janine 

That's so true, so I want to ask you, Amanda, as Amanda not as an energy code, you're tired for you, in in particular, to separate yourself from your work because it's so much a. 

00:41:42 Janine 

Part of your life. 

00:41:44 Janine 

But but Amanda. 

00:41:46 Janine 

Yeah, what is your wish for education? 

00:41:50 Amanda 

Uhm, I think yeah. 

00:41:52 Amanda 

From my own experiences and my my experiences with helping my kids never gave it. 

00:41:57 Amanda 

I think I would love it to be more fluid. 

00:42:00 Amanda 

I would love it to yes have. 

00:42:02 Amanda 

That based curriculum and things like that. 

00:42:04 Amanda 

But to really move on. 

00:42:06 Amanda 

From this kind of archaic. 

00:42:09 Amanda 

Uhm, system of we sit for, you know an hour 6 / 6 hours a day and you look at a board and you know how amazing would it be if it really you know did that that thing where OK sometimes we sit and learn and then we get up and we do something. 

00:42:29 Amanda 

Anesthetic and then so that each child needs through those you know, early years, particularly in particular, and met. 

00:42:35 Amanda 

And then imagine if that was able to be streamed into, then high school where the kids who. 

00:42:42 Amanda 

Learn in one particular way you can go in this stream and you know I mean that kind of does happen a little bit in high school in terms of. 

00:42:48 Amanda 

You know, vikesland. 

00:42:50 Amanda 

Apprenticeships and and and things like that. 

00:42:52 Amanda 

I think that's kind of been taken on board, but why is it taking until kids are in year 11 and 12 for for what they're saying they. 

00:43:01 Amanda 

Need to learn. 

00:43:02 Amanda 

Best to be listened to. 

00:43:05 Amanda 

Why isn't that happening? 

00:43:06 Amanda 

You know in grade four and five, why aren't we listening to our kids and saying I don't learn well that way and and changing it to encompass? 

00:43:15 Amanda 

You know the learning of emotional intelligence and and things like that, as as being as essential as. 

00:43:23 Amanda 

You know the things that they're currently being taught. 

00:43:29 Janine 

Yeah thanks so. 

00:43:32 Janine 

I guess as a healer. 

00:43:35 Janine 

Well, you know healing the planet is probably something on your mind, and I I know as well that you think a lot about climate change and. 

00:43:44 Janine 

Support for people with disabilities and and all sorts of UM, hot topics. 

00:43:49 Janine 

If you like that that are really, really important in our day and age, but. 

00:43:54 Janine 

I guess when you think about the education system and what it has to offer to that, like what do you think is the potential for education to heal the planet? 

00:44:06 Amanda 

Uhm, look, I think the kids today have a lot greater awareness than we did. 

00:44:13 Amanda 

I mean, when I was growing up it was all. 

00:44:14 Amanda 

About the ozone. 

00:44:15 Amanda 

Layer and I think we were pretty aware of that, but not much outside of. 

00:44:20 Amanda 

That I think kids today through the education system. 

00:44:25 Amanda 

Have have more of an understanding, but I. 

00:44:28 Amanda 

Also don't see a whole. 

00:44:31 Amanda 

Lot of of practical action like I know in primary school they had the compost and they had the chickens and they had the veggie garden and you get to high school and it's all that's all gone and I think what what magic it would be if that was continued. 

00:44:48 Amanda 

If this if this idea of you know involving them in. 

00:44:51 Amanda 

Ideas of how can we create a more sustainable world and what can we do in our school that's going to contribute to that? 

00:44:59 Amanda 

I think I almost feel like high schools aren't look we're having enough trouble keeping these kids engaged. 

00:45:04 Amanda 

We're going to have one. 

00:45:04 Amanda 

Been not going to have a recycling bin. 

00:45:07 Amanda 

We're not going to have a compost heap. 

00:45:08 Amanda 

We're not gonna have chicken like you know, kids. 

00:45:11 Janine 

Yeah, it's just. 

00:45:12 Amanda 

This total disconnect from all this you know, beautiful work that I'm seeing showing up in a lot of primary schools you get to. 

00:45:21 Amanda 

High school and. 

00:45:22 Amanda 

Yeah, so I think there's a big opportunity there. 

00:45:25 Amanda 

For for that to continue through and have our kids really take responsibility because they are going to be left with this mess. 

00:45:32 Amanda 

Is that the previous generations have kind of? 

00:45:36 Amanda 

Left us in for, you know, not necessarily consciously, but it's. 

00:45:42 Amanda 

Just it is what it is. 

00:45:44 Amanda 

Uhm, so yeah I think. 

00:45:48 Amanda 

There's a definite. 

00:45:49 Amanda 

There's a definite potential. 

00:45:51 Amanda 

And the exciting thing is. 

00:45:52 Amanda 

That with social media and things like that, kids are really stepping up. 

00:45:56 Amanda 

The ones who are passionate about healing our planet are stepping up and. 

00:45:59 Amanda 

Making an impact like. 

00:46:02 Amanda 

In ways that we never we. 

00:46:04 Amanda 

Never had the ability to. 

00:46:05 Amanda 

To do because we just didn't have those platforms, you know, so that that's hopeful you know. 

00:46:13 Janine 

Can I can I pick your brain just a 

00:46:15 Janine 

Tiny bit about. 

00:46:17 Janine 

What you would see, as you know what? 

00:46:20 Janine 

What would the ideal high school experience look like? 

00:46:25 Amanda 

Oh gosh, I think it would be, you know, recognizing the development of our children. 

00:46:33 Amanda 

So gosh, how long has research been out that kids need? 

00:46:36 Amanda 

Teenagers need longer sleep and are still drowsy in the morning. 

00:46:40 Amanda 

'cause of their melatonin levels? 

00:46:42 Amanda 

Like how long is that research been out and yet? 

00:46:43 Janine 

I'm still doing that. 

00:46:45 Amanda 

Yeah, and yet we're still sending our. 

00:46:47 Amanda 

Kids to school at. 

00:46:48 Amanda 

8 between 8:15 and 9:00 o'clock in the morning like. 

00:46:52 Amanda 

Uhm, yeah, so I guess the idea would be to really be working with the stage of development that they're at. 

00:46:58 Amanda 

It would be including self awareness, self regulation, not as a not as an add-on, but as something that's like integrated within. 

00:47:10 Amanda 

Uhm, the language? 

00:47:11 Amanda 

That's yeah, that's being that's just within the day and I think some schools I do try to do that. 

00:47:18 Amanda 

With things like you. 

00:47:20 Amanda 

Know, uh, Learning mentor class in the morning and having consistent teachers. 

00:47:23 Amanda 

And things like that so. 

00:47:24 Amanda 

I think that's already being done to some degree, but really having these. 

00:47:28 Amanda 

You know, like imagine if there was a tool kit that they had access to. 

00:47:32 Amanda 

They could choose to do, you know some Reiki they could choose to do a meditation. 

00:47:37 Amanda 

They could choose to do some mindful sandplay or whatever, and that's how they started their day. 

00:47:43 Amanda 

And you know before lunch there was a meditation break and then at the end of the day they did some stretching. 

00:47:48 Amanda 

Like imagine if all of these things which. 

00:47:51 Amanda 

We have evidence of. 

00:47:52 Amanda 

Being, you know. 

00:47:54 Amanda 

Good for growing brains and good for development. 

00:47:56 Amanda 

Good for stress. 

00:47:58 Amanda 

Imagine if you know this somehow that was integrated in what? 

00:48:03 Amanda 

A difference that would make. 

00:48:07 Janine 

Yeah, it sounds like something. 

00:48:07 Amanda 

So that was. 

00:48:08 Amanda 

That working lie yeah. 

00:48:10 Janine 

Something that should be in workplaces as well, and I know where I work at the moment. 

00:48:14 Janine 

We've certainly brought in meditation practices and things like that. 

00:48:17 Janine 

It's not all the time, yeah, but it makes a huge difference. 

00:48:21 Amanda 

Yeah, absolutely. 

00:48:23 Amanda 

It's proven to do that and we are. 

00:48:26 Amanda 

You know the the bottom line as our Prime Minister says, you know, we are, uh, can do capitalist society like we are conditioned to work, work work if you're not working, you're lazy. 

00:48:37 Amanda 

You're not contributing to society or not. 

00:48:40 Amanda 

You know, so there is this cultural, deep, deep cultural conditioning to work hard and so you know if our own Parliament and government. 

00:48:51 Amanda 

Is spouting that messaging, then we do have to say well of course it's going to then be hard. 

00:48:58 Amanda 

To get that. 

00:48:59 Amanda 

Through our 

00:49:00 Amanda 

Education system and things like that because. 

00:49:03 Amanda 

They're not saying we want. 

00:49:05 Amanda 

We want our Australians healthy and we want to really balance the work life we want. 

00:49:10 Amanda 

You know we want families to have quality time, so we raise, you know, supported children and we want to, you know, meet the needs of people with disabilities so that they can thrive as well as an able bodied person within. 

00:49:22 Amanda 

Any workplace like? 

00:49:23 Amanda 

We're not, they're not spouting that they're saying you know, we're capital of society and what is capitalism? 

00:49:29 Amanda 

It's get the work done at any cost. 

00:49:33 Amanda 

So I think that that makes it really hard and I. 

00:49:37 Amanda 

Think that's the reality of of why the change is so slow because. 

00:49:44 Amanda 

You know there's not that it's it's it's madding because there is all this research about it, but it's it's not being implemented in the Parliament workplace which doesn't even have HR. 

00:49:55 Amanda 

I found out recently I hate. 

00:49:56 Speaker 4 

To our department so. 

00:49:59 Amanda 

Gosh how how we you know if well being is not taken seriously at the highest levels. 

00:50:05 Amanda 

Then it makes sense that it's harder to get into other levels of. 

00:50:09 Amanda 

Our society so. 

00:50:12 Amanda 

Yeah, it's a big. 

00:50:13 Amanda 

It's a big. 

00:50:14 Amanda 

So that's why it is so important that these these consistent like that we do stay really vigilant. 


This consume. 

00:50:20 Amanda 

And really hopeful. 

00:50:21 Amanda 

That every little change is having an. 

00:50:24 Amanda 

Impact so every person who you know has the experience that I had of being told you. 

00:50:30 Amanda 

Can you know you can make a difference in your own health and healing every person that that. 

00:50:34 Amanda 

Happens to then goes out and takes responsibility for themselves and looks for ways to to feel well and empowered. 

00:50:41 Amanda 

And then they go and. 

00:50:42 Amanda 

Find ways to help other people become well and empowered, and then you know that's hopefully one day gonna reach those higher levels as more. 

00:50:51 Speaker 4 

And more people go gosh. 

00:50:53 Amanda 

This is a better. 

00:50:53 Amanda 

Way to do it, I'm more productive anyway. 

00:50:56 Amanda 

Now you know. 

00:50:57 Speaker 2 

Oh yeah. 

00:51:00 Janine 

I'm I'm wondering so much here. 

00:51:03 Janine 

It's like. 


Gosh, I just 

00:51:06 Janine 

I've lost my thoughts because there was so much in that. 

00:51:10 Janine 

I guess my my question is about going forward. 

00:51:15 Janine 

Oh yeah, so we we consider if you talk to politicians perhaps about what the purpose of school is or education they'll say it's about being able to join the workforce and be engaged citizen, right? 

00:51:28 Janine 

And and as as a parent, I guess I'll ask you because it's it's hard sometimes for us to differentiate what's the role of the educator or the teacher and what's the role of the parent. 

00:51:39 Janine 

And I think there's a lot of hot debates about. 

00:51:42 Janine 

That you know where does this fit and where does that fit and who's responsible for which, and. 

00:51:49 Janine 

So yeah, that's my question to you as a parent and all the other roles that you bring here. 

00:51:55 Janine 

What do you think? 

00:51:57 Janine 

The function and purpose of education is? 

00:51:59 Janine 

Or should or could be? 

00:52:02 Amanda 

I think you're right, I think. 

00:52:03 Amanda 

It is to be part of that capitalist system with which we live in, which is get people into the workforce, keep the economy going. 

00:52:12 Amanda 

You know, keep keep the money ticking over in our in our country. 

00:52:17 Amanda 

I think that is the purpose and I think that's why it is so rigid and it's very predefined because the government knows where it wants. 

00:52:23 Amanda 

People to sort of head to, I guess. 

00:52:27 Amanda 

For the needs of. 

00:52:29 Amanda 

I guess of. 

00:52:30 Amanda 

Of the community, but I. 

00:52:32 Amanda 

Think it's it's not the right way to go about. 

00:52:35 Amanda 

It I see. 

00:52:36 Amanda 

And have seen my children. 

00:52:38 Amanda 

You know, there's some aspects of the education, their education, they're so passionate about, you know, and they they love. 

00:52:44 Amanda 

And then there are some aspects that they. 

00:52:46 Amanda 

Like I don't. 

00:52:47 Amanda 

See the point of this like there is so many chunks of. 

00:52:50 Amanda 

Of high school that are so. 

00:52:52 Amanda 

Irrelevant to real life and the real world. 

00:52:55 Amanda 

And our kids are smart enough to know. 

00:52:57 Amanda 

This and go yeah so waste of my time and. 

00:53:01 Amanda 

If kids are. 

00:53:02 Amanda 

Recognizing that, why aren't we putting in something you know? 

00:53:05 Amanda 

Imagine if instead of that thing, that's a complete waste of everybody's time. There was something in there that really inspired them to, you know, innovate, 'cause this generation they are innovators, I think. 

00:53:17 Amanda 

More than any of us. 

00:53:18 Amanda 

They've got access to so. 

00:53:19 Amanda 

Much technology and. 

00:53:22 Amanda 

Knowledge that we never had access to. 

00:53:25 Amanda 

They're smart and they've got. 

00:53:27 Amanda 

New ways of. 

00:53:27 Amanda 

Thinking, and we're not really respecting that, and I think yeah, as a parent like I've my daughter has recently been really add. 

00:53:36 Amanda 

Waiting for some of her needs at school and it's been really interesting to watch those needs not be heard. 

00:53:44 Amanda 

Come as a. 

00:53:45 Speaker 2 

I'm done. 

00:53:46 Amanda 

As a 17 year old and to be going wow she has really stepped up and articulated so well what's missing in her being able to get the best out of her education? 

00:53:56 Amanda 

Why is it not being heard? 

00:53:58 Amanda 

And and you know, she's stubborn and strong willed gets that from me. 

00:54:03 Amanda 

I think from a man, and we've that's one thing as parents, you know, we've worked on really early. 

00:54:09 Amanda 

As you know, saying you know. 

00:54:11 Amanda 

You're in high. 

00:54:11 Amanda 

School now you need to advocate for yourself with something. 

00:54:13 Amanda 

Is not working for you. 

00:54:15 Amanda 

If you're not able to learn in that environment. 

00:54:17 Amanda 

Then you need to say, hey. 

00:54:18 Amanda 

This isn't working for me. 

00:54:19 Amanda 

And it was really interesting to watch her. 

00:54:23 Amanda 

Do that so beautifully, and so articulately and so consistently and still not be listened to. 

00:54:32 Amanda 

So I think gosh imagine how many other. 

00:54:34 Amanda 

Kids are there. 

00:54:35 Amanda 

Who maybe haven't had parents behind them saying go on? 

00:54:39 Amanda 

You can advocate for yourself this. 

00:54:41 Amanda 

Is you know you know what you need, go and go and. 

00:54:44 Amanda 

Do it who have these. 

00:54:46 Amanda 

Same feelings of not being seen or heard or don't have. 

00:54:49 Amanda 

The courage or a bit shy to to speak up. 

00:54:53 Amanda 

And what would happen if they were empowered, like what? 

00:54:56 Amanda 

Would look different. 

00:54:57 Amanda 

Within their education experience, if a teacher went OK, tell me more about that. 

00:55:02 Amanda 

Tell me more about that and and what that looks like to you and how can we apply that? 

00:55:06 Amanda 

What a great idea and and it turns out there's five or six other kids in that that same class ago. 

00:55:12 Amanda 

Yeah, that'll work for me too. 

00:55:13 Amanda 

Oh I need like. 

00:55:14 Amanda 

These kids are smart. 

00:55:15 Amanda 

Our kids are smart and I don't think we give them enough. 

00:55:20 Amanda 

We don't give them enough credit. 

00:55:22 Amanda 

Across the board, sure. 

00:55:24 Amanda 

There's the the leaders, the ones who get into be whatever peer support leader or house leader and things like that. 

00:55:29 Amanda 

But it's one role, isn't it? 

00:55:30 Amanda 

In a school of how many imagine if you know there was these beautiful, informal ways where kids could speak up about where their needs are. 

00:55:41 Amanda 

Being met and not being there and they're concerned for how the schools meeting environmental needs and. 

00:55:48 Amanda 

Yeah yeah. 

00:55:50 Amanda 

So as a parent I think I've I've been really. 

00:55:53 Amanda 

We've been really strong in advocating for our kids to speak up for themselves and and really, you know, let them make mistakes and step in. 

00:56:03 Amanda 

Obviously when needed. 

00:56:04 Amanda 

But to illustrate to them, they're powerful, they're. 

00:56:07 Amanda 

They've got good thoughts. 

00:56:09 Amanda 

They've got good ideas and they know themselves bear. 

00:56:12 Amanda 

So I think when you're lucky enough to get educators who can see that for what it is and there are, there are educators there that do. 

00:56:19 Amanda 

And really, there have been teachers that have really appreciated that initiative and that inside in that articulation. 

00:56:26 Amanda 

I just think there's magic in that across. 

00:56:30 Amanda 

If that was to be something that. 

00:56:31 Amanda 

Was encouraged across the board. 

00:56:35 Janine 

Yeah, and like in edges speak we we call that Co creation and student voice. 

00:56:41 Janine 

Yeah, it's just so nice to hear you articulate what that actually means to you. 

00:56:47 Janine 

And that's definitely something for us to go away and think about in terms of, you know how? 

00:56:53 Janine 

When's the last time we asked? 

00:56:55 Janine 

Our students about their needs and actually really listened. 

00:57:00 Janine 

Uhm, yeah, so I might just set that as a homework task for the week. 


Oh JC. 

00:57:05 Janine 

Send people on their way to think about that because. 

00:57:09 Janine 

I think perhaps you know we we talk about learning needs and stuff a lot, but there's there's a lot of other needs that that go unaddressed, and we often assume that we know what all of those needs are rather than. 

00:57:20 Janine 

Asking the question. 

00:57:23 Janine 

Yeah it should not. 

00:57:23 Amanda 

And you know what? 

00:57:24 Amanda 

No worries and and I think the important thing is that the first time you asked that question, you know they might not know what to say, because how often do particularly teenagers get asked, you know? 

00:57:34 Amanda 

Do you need like yeah or what might? 

00:57:36 Amanda 

What might help you to, you know, really feel empowered and it might sort of take them back and. 

00:57:41 Amanda 

Maybe you'll ask it again. 

00:57:42 Amanda 

And I'll be like. 

00:57:44 Amanda 

Oh, I don't know. 

00:57:45 Amanda 

And then maybe the third time they'll be like. 

00:57:46 Amanda 

Well, actually I've been giving it some thought and. 

00:57:49 Amanda 

You know, so it's. 

00:57:49 Amanda 

It's also not about it being a A. 

00:57:52 Amanda 

Uh, one off conversation like the first time I said to my daughter, well, you need to email your teacher about that. 

00:57:57 Amanda 

She was like like an email to child or knew what would. 

00:58:00 Amanda 

I say I might. 

00:58:01 Amanda 

You'll figure it out. 

00:58:02 Amanda 

You know, you know you know how to navigate a computer, so let them know what what's wrong, what you need, and you know it's that skill is. 

00:58:12 Amanda 

The tips appreciate it. 

00:58:14 Amanda 

The sheep she now has good rapport with these teachers and communicating and. 

00:58:19 Amanda 

You know the first time wasn't easy, she. 

00:58:21 Speaker 4 

Didn't know what to say. 

00:58:22 Speaker 2 

I yeah. 

00:58:24 Amanda 

Like anything, it's it's a. 

00:58:25 Amanda 

It's a conversation, isn't it? 

00:58:27 Amanda 

That goes on and and uh, and a muscle. 

00:58:29 Amanda 

A man and a trust. 

00:58:31 Amanda 

You know 'cause kids aren't used to teachers. 

00:58:32 Janine 

Oh, I'm listen. 

00:58:34 Amanda 

Maybe asking what do they need so it might not be a question. 

00:58:38 Amanda 

They immediately know how to answer. 

00:58:41 Janine 

Yeah, and that's that's why it really has to be embedded in the culture and not just being tokenistic thing or a one day workshop or something you just do with the school leaders. 

00:58:49 Janine 

I think it's a practice that we all need to invest in on the daily. 

00:58:56 Janine 

Well, Amanda, I think I've kept you for long enough. 

00:59:00 Amanda 

Time flies when you're having soup. 

00:59:01 Janine 

And that I'm sorry. 

00:59:04 Janine 

I'm I'm so grateful for the opportunity to talk to you on the teacher. 

00:59:07 Janine 

The podcast and thanks for everything you've added to our learning, and you've opened our minds to some new ideas. 

00:59:17 Janine 

So yeah, thanks for all that you've brought to. 

00:59:19 Amanda 

The table thank you for having me. 

00:59:21 Amanda 

I really enjoyed the conversation. 

00:59:23 Amanda 

And yeah, can we talk about this? 

00:59:25 Amanda 

Sort of stuff for. 

00:59:28 Speaker 4 

No worries at all. 

00:59:30 Janine 

Awesome, well I will see you soon. 

00:59:32 Janine 

All the 

00:59:33 Janine 

Best thank you.